!!! Has anybody tried "RESTORE" ??

I read about this in a magazine, but I know not everyting they ad is true. I
know products like prolong and zmax have been in problems with lawsuits, so
I was wondering if anybody knows about any bad stuff about RESTORE.
http://www.restoreusa.com/restorer.html or what do you guys think, another
BS product ?

 

It is the ONLY additive that I would ever (and have ever) added to a
vehicle. It will NOT FIX a junk/terminal engine. Add it at about
60-80,000 miles with your oil change. Then, again at another 30,000 or
so. You WILL notice the difference in a few hundred miles. You DON'T
need it every oil change. I am NOT an additive junkie BUT this stuff
works. Remember that the engine should be in GOOD shape. I know, why
put it in an engine that is OK? Well, lets call it preventive
maintenance

 

And the basis for your opinion is?

Richard.

 

My experiences are about the same. It actually does work, though
toss the instructions and use it every two years or so. Once your
engine gets past 150-200K miles(dep on design), nothing's going to
really help.

Note - it doesn't do squat other than condition the seals a bit.

No increased power or mileage - just a bit smoother running from
what I can tell. If your top end/lifters are shot, it does nothing
there either. Switching to a semi-synthetic motor oil honestly
made a bigger difference. Now, that's a change that DOES give
results.

Most of the rest of the stuff - not a bit better, though a few
of the additives do clean out injectors if you put in about
2-3 times what they recommend.

 

Was there something wrong with your engine before you tried it?

 

It's kind of like leather conditioner/cleaner. You really SHOULD
use something every so often on your seats. I've seen 20 year old
Mercedes with perfect interiors and 10 year old ones with rotting
crud.

It helps a bit - like fuel injector cleaners do. Terminal damage
or excessive wear - no, it won't fix that anymore than leather
conditioner will fix a tear or rip.

 

An engine isn't a piece of leather. You can't "condition" metal. Its
snake oil, just like all the others.

I, for one, have always gotten at least 200,000 miles (my lowest-mileage
engine currently has 202,000 miles on it) out of engines just with good
oil and regular changes. Not even religiously at 3000 miles- quite often
up to 5000 mile intervals- but I never let an engine run low on oil or
go beyond 7000 miles on a change. There's absolutely no need for these
goofy products.

 

Metal, no. Seals? Depending upon the type of materials used in
the seals and gaskets, yes.

As I said, the biggest thing you can do is change to a semi-synthetic
oil and do oil changes regularly. Especially in a smaller engine - the
semi-synthetics are a big help and won't trash the seals on an older
engine.

 

You're not a metalurgist, I'll bet. Have you heard of "running in"?
True, you don't hear much about it with new cars these days. - RM

 

I, for one, have always gotten at least 200,000 miles (my lowest-mileage

Good for you. I guess you've never owned a used vehicle with an unknown
matainance record? I believe the original poster asked for opinions on
whether or not the product works, not if there was a need for it.

 

Dubious. Most "seal conditioners" simply cause rubber seals to soften
and swell temporarily. In many cases, as the "conditioner" diffuses back
out of the seal, it winds up even harder and more shrunken than before.
If seals are leaking, replace them.

 

You don't have to be in order to know what is or is not possible.

And exactly how does that relate to bogus claims that a liquid poured in
a crankcase can "condition" metal akin to the way wax will condition
leather?

'Running in' (or burnishing, or any similar process) is a PHYSICAL
treatment of metal, not chemical. Heck, there are even valid chemical
processes to change the surface characteristics of metals (nitride
hardening, aka the 'Tufftride' process, for example) but not ONE of them
can be done by pouring goo in your oil and driving.

 

A couple, in fact. If they had problems, I REPAIRED them, rather than
pouring goo in the crankcase and hoping for alchemy to occur... ;-)

 

Ok. I missed your reference to the "liquid"
when you said one "can't condition metal". - RM

 

What about stuck rings (stuck in place in their grooves) - is that a
real world problem? If so, anything that will dissolve old sludge (and
thus unsticking the rings and allowing them to move around and conform
to the cylinder walls) could have a dramatic effect.

Bill Putney
(to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with "x")

 

Too broad a brush, Steve. I have no opinion on Restore (never used it -
prboably read the label in the store once or twice).

Regarding additives, I strongly believe that in specific situtaions,
they may be justified. Example: If I find out after the fact that the
particular engine in my car is prone to **serious** sludging up and
resulting total failure with minor neglect (late oil changes) like
certain Toyota engines and the 2.7L Chrysler engine, I would definitely
(along with changing the oil religiously at 3000-3500 miles with new
filter each time) buy some extra insurance and put something like Marvel
Mystery Oil in with each oil change (which I actually do with my
Concorde with 2.7L - presently at 98k miles and running great).

It's exactly like: I don't believe in putting tourniquettes on my arms
and legs just for piece of mind, but you can bet in the right medical
emergency, I would use one to save my life.

I have also used MMO to cure a valve lifter clatter due to dirt or
varnish in a Subaru engine that needed it in spite of very regular
maintenance - a common cure (ATF works well for that too).

I won't argue that any given additive shouldn't be used without specific
reason, but when there is a specific problem that can be fixed by using
one, I do it. (Full disclosure: I won't lie - along with regular oil &
filter changes, I actually use MMO in all my cars as preventative
against sludging.)

Bill Putney
(to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with "x")

 

From: Bill Putney

In my case Restore succeeded in causing the rings to fully stick to the pistons
producing amazing amounts of oil smoke.
If they're claiming it will free rings they're lying.




Pete Geurds
Douglassville, PA

 

A couple, in fact. If they had problems, I REPAIRED them, rather than

You're my hero.

 

Insincerity at its best

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