GM kills Saturn after Penske ends deal. Obama Motors announces "Yugo" rebirth.

Can I get in on this?

 

i figure top posting is no where near as evil as bottom feeding......LOL

 

I posted that to this thread.

I'd say just about every single cop I've encountered was just about the
job. Either doing what was required to get promoted or a good review or
trying to do as little as he possibly could.

That's what they are there for. In the US, police are used to collect
revenue for local government. They are looking for easy marks. An
neighbor of mine, he's probably 80 something, he reports a car that's
been parked out front of his place for a while that doesn't belong
there. Cop wants to run him for warrants. He won't call them now. I've
been pulled over twice now for looking at a cop in a way that they
didn't like. (never mind that both of them nearly collided with my car
in their stupid driving, which was the reason for the look)

What should be done? Stop being ruled over. Stop permitting it.
Withdraw consent. And yes, part of the problem is the monopoly on legal
violence they enjoy.

 

My bad.

You have met very different officers then I have.

Perhaps it's just your State then?

How do we do that?

 

Not that I can tell.

But here's today's local story:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/07/marshawn-pitts-cop-caught_n_312354.html

File it under "contempt of cop".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contempt_of_cop

Depends on the individual laws.

 

That officer needs to spend a lot of time in jail. I also wonder if he knew
the camera's were there, and if he did, why he snapped? It would seem to me
that someone with that kind of temper shouldn't be working in a school for
special needs children.

Yeah, I've heard of that. I have always said there are bad police officers,
just like there are bad judges, waiters, actresses, etc. My point is, you
can't judge everyone by some. Any officer who is a "bad apple"
(so-to-speak) need to be fired, or jailed. The same goes of any bad apple
in any other profession. But, there *are* good officers out there. You
don't seem to have encountered any, but I, and many others have.

Indeed.

 

I think in general where political corruption dominates, the corruption
spills over into the legal system and law enforcement - it's unavoidable
for the reasons people have already suggested: Promoting and firing
based on the wrong ideas reflecting the corruption. Promote the bad and
punish and fire the good and you end up with - tadah! - a corrupt police
force. That's true in theory and in reality.

A person's outlook would be totally different if they lived somewhere
else (that was not dominated by corruption).

 

I'm not judging all. The current system used by police departments
actively pushes the good people out, leaving the bad. Find a cop that
won't write speeding tickets where people are just going the normal
speed of traffic and you'll find a cop that gets bad reviews and may end
up fired. Find a cop that actually turns in his co-workers for their bad
behavior and he might end up dead. The system is designed to promote
and encourage the bad while driving out the good. It's been that way
to some degree for a long time and has only gone further in that
direction.

Now add to that mix a bunch of cops who's prior gig was serving in
the legions occupying foreign lands at the outer reaches of the empire.
The current way cops tend to treat people, the yelling, the screaming,
the intimidation, and so on is that of an occupying force, not of a
police department hired by the people for protection.

I've found that old re-runs of that fox show "COPs" serve well to remind
how much things have changed. Sure, it's TV, but comparing how cops
behaved in those old episodes compared to current ones or even recent
experiences is dramatic.

 

I think you have a very jaded view of cops from living in Chicago (and
possibly some other places if that's the only view of cops you have).
Believe me - cops are not anything like that in many places. Like I
said before corruption (in society and local politics) begets corruption
(in the legal system and law enforcement).

 

Mayberry?

My 'jaded view' comes from my interactions with people of that
profession and it's reinforced when I read of more extreme versions of
the same sort of behaviors. I used to have a much different view. The
view of ticket-towns and 'bad apples'.

Today's item:
http://www.venfl.com/features2/frassetti_vindicated3.htm

I know the writer has a disjointed style and that's part 3, but long
story short is that cop arrests relative of the chief for DUI. Chief or
someone else either deletes a report or the craptacular software they
use ate it. Cop is fired for it.

bonus: A new word for 'quota', 'stats'. Seems those cops that testified
about said software being craptacular are now getting bad reviews
because of their 'stats'. That is the number of traffic tickets they
write.

The bad push out the good. I don't doubt that some places haven't had
that happen yet, but I believe them to be few and far between. A police
force too small for any significant corruption is likely a traffic
ticket mill that limits their victims to out of towners.

What I believe isn't so much that there are 'good' police forces but
rather that much of the population just hasn't had the pleasure of
enough cop interaction to establish a pattern yet because they aren't
'different' enough to get that cop attention. That's slowly changing as
what is done by the US overseas comes home.

BTW, think about this:
http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/...ght_Cops_Planning_Cover-Up_After_Shooting.htm
before calling 911.

I read at least one of these bad cop stories a day and I don't even look
for them. Most of them I see from fark.com of all places. (both of these
stories I linked I first read from fark, although the second may be a
different source for the same story)

 

Brent

I come to realize that it seems you have a disrespect for law enforcement
officers. You seem to search just for the bad news. Well as an ex sheriff
deputies (15 years of service 10 fulltime and 5 as a volunteer). I seen
both sides good cops and bad. Although I never witness any thing that would
have broken the law, I personally would not have acted that same way.

Example, there was a slight mentally challenged individual living in the
area. He had no drivers license yet he drove a truck. Every time he got
caught by certain officers he would physically fight them including throwing
a dew over the hoods of his truck or their patrol cars. If you pulled him
over and spoke with him and told him he messed up he would stick his hands
out and wait for you to handcuff him but only from the front. He would then
walk to the back of the patrol car and get in the back on his own. The
bottom line is he did not like to be man handled and those that tried had to
fight with him.

During my years of experience, I learned to elevated my voice when need to
gain control of the situation but also learned to start off with respect
unless it elevated. From what I seen on the streets from my experience is
more and more of disrespect for law enforcement officers right from the
moment of first contact. Just like the video you had of the student walking
away from the officer is the start of disrespect. We don't know from the
video how many times he and the officer had words prior to the incident. I
not trying to take up for the officer because he was wrong for even pushing
the kid but the kid does bear some responsibility for his own actions.

I seen many kids arrested in my short law enforcement career. The same
attitude I received from the kids is what you get from the parents when the
come to the jail house. The cop is only picking on my kid. Shame of you
for picking on my kid with a bunch of MF and other curse words mixed in with
it.

Not all cops are bad but we are taught in the police academy that you must
control the situation by using your voice or other means of imitimadation to
keep the situation from escalating.

Another change is many departments are under staff. The officers are
handling more dispatch items today then they were 10 years ago. Just the
small department I was with had a 1500 calls a month when I was there back
in 1996 when I left and today speaking with friends on the force that are
handling over 5000 calls a month with two additional officers then when I
was there. This puts the officer in a very stressful position going from
one call to another. So if you call about something stolen they could care
less it probably because they are overworked.

Police work is no longer proactive it is reactive. I had time in my days to
patrol the neighborhoods. I even had time to get out and speak with them I
may not have knew everyone name but I knew their face and that they lived in
on a certain street. I would patrol for 250 to 300 miles a shift driving my
patrol area. I had time to drive slow through many areas looking for and
stopping trouble before it happens. Today's law enforcement is just going
from one call to the next.

 

No, they have disrespect for me as a free man. Oh, I forget, "respect"
for law enforcement officers means groveling and submissive obedence to
them. That of course doesn't jive well with 'cops are hired by us to
protect us', but it goes well with cops working for the rulers.

I don't search it out at all. I just run across it. I stated as much
earlier.

Notice, ex. Which means you're not a cop fresh back from the occupation
of Iraq suffering from PTSD. This sort of cop gets violently angry if
someone shows the least bit displeasure with his actions. Such as if the
cop, too busy with his cell phone call, turned left in front of an
ordinary person while that person had the right of way. The ranks of
cops today have many such unstable people to the degree that one
is best to avoid as much interaction with cops in general as much as
possible because of the great harm a cop can do.

That's perfectly normal thing for a person to do, defend himself from
aggression.

That's not what's done today. I am walking home with my dinner and a cop
slams his cruiser to a stop, jumps out, runs over to me and screams "I
WANT TO TALK TO YOU". The other three were far more respectful, but I
wasn't about to "respect" that lead cop one bit. The only respect he got
was due to his ability harm me legally, which means I complied with his
orders but made sure it was clearly against my will. Simply, he made it
clear that violence was his main tool and he got the respect of someone
operating under such a condition.

Ahh... here we go... I knew it would come down to that. I'm sorry, but
the idea that a cop can order someone to 'tuck in his shirt' is simply
absurd and the cop got the respect such an order demanded, ignoring it.
It's not "disrepect" to ignore such things, it's what should be done.

So what? It's never excuse for us mere mortals that we've had taken all
we could up to that point, so why should it be an excuse for our
'betters', the cops?

Yeah, he didn't bow to his masters' agent, the cop, I guess. Last I
heard school isn't technically prison, although it becomes more like it
as time goes on.

Well, I was the kid that 'respected' cops and never got into trouble.
Cops themselves changed my view of cops. It started when I first started
driving and had my first interaction with an IL state trooper. It was
nice how he purposely sprayed rocks on the freshly painted car I was
driving... my crime? I slowed down when he was severely tailgating me.
With rare exception that is how I've been treated by cops. When you get
enough of it, you stop believing it's just 'a few bad apples'.

Did they teach you that some people don't react well to intimidation and
doing that is turning people against cops?

That's going to happen when cops are used to manage so many aspects of
people's lives that government wants to be involved in. This can be
solved easily, let people be free. Just think how much free time there
would be if the prohibitions on some drugs ended? Of course the ability
to take people's stuff as loot would be greatly diminished.

So you admit today is far different. Excuse me for not holding on to
images from earlier times.

 

I'll have to admit, I had more respect for the police in Europe that I do
here. They have tended to be educated, helpful, and mutually respectful.

Here, we tend to avoid being noticed by policemen, even though we may
have done nothing.

We have a situation going on now in my home county where some of the
police and public officials are now the target of a class action suit. They
were accused of being a bit aggressive about profiling, stopping, and
confiscating money and jewelry from people, although not filing charges
against them.

The "system" viewed anyone who had considerable amounts of cash on them (not
"considerable" to me, but from hundreds of dollars to a few thousands) as
being money launderers.

Over 150 people are taking part in this lawsuit.

The local DA has been refused defense money by the county and the state,
but had the cojones to request that she be able to use these "forfeited"
funds
to pay her lawyers fees. Unlikely.....

This doesnt help the relationship between citizens and "the law".

 

REVOLUTION

DAS

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Over and over again you are demonstrating that your feelings are a
product of the area you have lived in. I'll say it again, believe it or
not - you seem to deny every suggestion of it: Corruption (the local and
area governments) begets corruption (in the legal system and law
enforcement).

You're right about one thing - times have changed. Our society and
culture have become much "coarser" (for lack of a better word) than it
used to be. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy on both sides when
that happens - the cops become meaner for the absolute scum they have to
deal with and the people lose respect for the cops, and the cycle feeds
on itself. Again - it isn't like that everywhere - not by a long shot.
You don't seem to want to believe it.

 

Once again - corruption begets corruption - and disrespect all around.

 

You're an anarchist! LOL!

 

It's only a matter of degree and maybe time as far as I can tell.

Even areas one would never think of are now effected:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/35296.html

The story links expired but it is refering to this:
http://www.abpnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4448&Itemid=53
http://www2.wspa.com/spa/news/local..._of_reverend_to_be_complete_in_4_weeks/27744/
http://reason.com/blog/2009/10/07/update-on-the-georgia-pastor-k

And take a look who has control of the federal government now. He's
brought c(r)ook county to the nation in a big way and people deny that
as well.