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They are not immune from lawsuit, depending upon the complaint.

There is need for more enforcement. It is not a perfect society, but is
the only way a society can survive.

Compared to what? How would it be if there were no war on drugs?

 

Don't cloud the issue. You aren't getting anywhere with a lawsuit
because they didn't protect your house from being burgled or protected
you from being mugged. They don't have to protect you or your property.

Look at how well those cops protected that kid in Chicago just recently.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/09/29/crimesider/entry5349007.shtml

That's what government failure always demands, more government. More
intrusion into our lives. Will you be amung the first to sign up for
viewscreens ("1984") to be installed in your home?

We'd have a much more pleasant society where the government didn't have
various ways around our constitutional protections. Nearly all of the
problems with 'illegal drugs' comes from the prohibition.

But hey, a few billion dollars more, more enforcement, more removing our
rights, maybe if they lock us all up, then nobody will use these drugs
anymore... oh wait, the drugs are even available in the prisons. Maybe
it's time to see what law enforcement (that term's rise in use
symbolizes the change in what they do and who they work for) really is.

 

I didn't watch the video, but from what I can tell about that case, the
Police were not there when that happened. Are you saying they need to be
psychic, and know where every crime is taking place? There is a huge
difference between not knowing (and hence, not being able to do anything),
and just standing there and watching someone get killed (as you are saying
they do). If someone were to have dialed 911, and the Police got there
during the person's beating, they would have stepped in and used whatever
force was necessary to stop it.

 

You mean they weren't around? They didn't get there in time? SHOCK! They
weren't protecting?

No. I am saying they won't be around aproximately 99.9999% of the time
you need protecting and have no obligation to be.

While there is no obligation for them to know or get involved if they
do I didn't state they stood around and did nothing. I stated they
failed to protect. There is protecting and reacting. They might not even
have an obligation to react.

Sure... just like the cop that was a 100 feet away when a box truck ran
me off the road (likely intentionally). Said he didn't see it. And that
was in the days where a conversation with a cop didn't mean getting run
for warrants.

Just a little something to read:
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/05/criminalizing-everyone/

Don't make any paperwork errors in running a business... or you too can
have a couple years in prison. Don't expect your local PD to protect you
from the feds either.

 

How many police officers are there in Chicago? They can't be everywhere.

And I am saying you are a liar.

What Country or State do you live in, out of curiosity?

You say police officers treat you badly, now you say you were "likely
intentionally" ran off the road. Could you just be a prick in real life?
I'm not being sarcastic, but seriously, perhaps you should stay indoors more
often.

What happened to that couple was totally ridiculous, but it had nothing to
do with the police. Me thinks your tin-foil hat is on much to tight.

 

You failed to give a real example of a 'victimless' crime.

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And yet, we are supposed to rely on them for protection?
Exchange our freedom for protection via the government's police. When
they won't, can't, and aren't even supposed to be around to protect us.
It's a pretty absurd trade.

And yet above you make excuses for the cops not being around to protect
us. And if I am lying, why don't you find the law that OBLIGATES police
to protect us. Where if they fail and we fall victim to crime we have
either criminal or civil recourse. Even if that recourse is as little as
individually being able to fire the police department through refusal
to pay the taxes that pay them and hiring someone else.

Ahh, no actual argument. But just for your elightenment, I was bicycling
and moved to the edge of the road to allow the truck to pass more
easily as I heard it slow. The driver of the truck then forced me off
the road by putting the right set of tires a few inches from the white
line. There was no shoulder on this road nor any pavement to the right
of the white line. If I was a 'prick' I would have taken the lane.

law enforcement is well, law enforcement. A local PD can screw up your
life just the same and have done so to many people.

I guess some people just need it to happen to them personally before
they believe it happens.

 

If you need that pointed out to you, you're beyond hope.

But I'll start with the simple ones and recent news items:

Making more beer than the government allows for your own consumption.
Growing pot for your own consumption.
Baby sitting your neighbors kids for a hour a day.
Not having the shipping documents required by the beuracrats.
Voicing a political opinion in violation of McCain's law.
Paying for a sexual act.
Buying any number of substances for personal consumption that the
federal or state governments have banned.
Buying too much cold medication of certain type in a short period of
time. (It's a lot lower of a limit than you think)

The list goes on and on and on.

 

Where have you proved that they aren't there to protect us?

How are they supposed to be everywhere? If you are being assaulted in your
home, how are they supposed to know to be there?

See above. You are saying they are not required to protect us. Where is
your proof?

Perhaps, as the officer said, he just didn't see it. Were there any other
witnesses? Why not take down the license plate number and file an official
complaint?

There are bad apples in every occupation, I don't disagree with that.

Have what happen purposely? You haven't proven anything beyond the fact
that the police can't be everywhere, which is obvious. And, judging by the
fact that you deleted the paragraph where I asked you what country you live
in, I assume you are a typical "the sky is falling, and everyone is out to
get me" person, which means, debating with you is rather pointless, as your
mind is made up.

 

Anyone who intentionally top-posts is beyond hope. That's why I
killfiled that person years ago.

 

I guess he wants a cop every 6 feet, then he'd be complaining about
that. But can you imagine the taxes it would take to pay for that?

 

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Anyone who intentionally top-posts is beyond hope. That's why I
killfiled that person years ago.

 

apparently you are very misinformed, it is well documented that several
court cases have said that the cops have NO legal law requireing them to
protect any one person. they are the mop up crew. they do not have to help
if there health is deamed in jepedory, even if you are being beating up by
a gang, crowd, ect if they feel there safety is in peril they don`t have to
wade in. The courts are very specific about it. KB

 

No, it's "We Treat You Like A King".

 

It's quite obvious that you have a doublethink going on.

So you agree they have no obligation to protect us.

You're asking me to prove a negative. How about YOU PROVE they are
obligated to protect us? I've already posted the supreme court decision
that say they don't have an obligation to protect us. It's your turn.

I'm sorry, I was busy trying not to get sucked under the rear wheels of
the truck to get a plate. It's pretty clear you have all sorts of
excuses for our 'protectors' failures. Now show they have any obligation
to protect us. Show where they have to actually work for us and not the
government.

In the case of cops, if there are any good ones they either find another
line of work, keep silent, or help cover up for the bad ones that
dominate.

I deleted it, because it's jackass question. You haven't shown anything
to back your arguments. You just have this childish belief in cops even
though you do know the reality. It's quite the doublethink.

 

Obviously reading comprehension is poor. I'll spoon feed you.

If there was an obligation to protect people, they would be accountable
for conducting that active service. Protection is an active service, one
that requires a presence that you freely admit that police departments
do not provide and are not even expected to provide. Thus, they do not
have an obligation to protect.

Furthermore, a private security company protects the properties they are
hired to protect, they are accountable to those that hire them. If they
fail to protect they are fired. How does a person fire the police
department when it fails to protect?

Now if you have evidence otherwise, present it.

 

How is it a jackass question? Laws differ from State to State, and Country
to Country. But, arguing with you seems like arguing with a brick wall.
You have your mind made up, everyone is out to get you, and the police are
just pawns working for the big bad government. Loosen up your tin-foil hat,
and perhaps you wouldn't be so paranoid.

 

Not to mention the "they are all watching me, taking my privacy!!11!11!!2!!"
crowd. You just can't please some people.

 

I see you don't have any proof that cops have an obligation to protect
us, or even to work for us. Instead you aim your sights at me for daring
to question your belief system.

Here's something for you:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig10/cohoon1.html
and
"Dont Talk to Police"

 

Ok Brent. After doing some research, I now see that you are right. From
what I can find, it was June 27th 2005 when the Supreme Court ruled that the
Police did not have a constitutional duty to protect. While I think that
ruling is totally bullshit (especially considering all the talk about
banning the owning of firearms), from my experience, most officers will
indeed defend you in any way they can. True, I can't say all officers do
that, but I believe many do. I'm in Canada, and I'm having trouble finding
specific rulings or laws about our police forces, but I honestly hope our
laws are different. What I do know, is every police officer I have ever
known has taken pride in protecting people.
But, you are also jumping from "The police don't have to protect you" to
"the police will take advantage of you". Let's say for a moment, this is
true, and the police don't give a shit about you, me, or anyone but
themselves. What do you purpose we do about this? I'm not being sarcastic,
I'm truly asking what you think should be done. Should the laws be changed
to make it law that they protect us? Should we all arm ourselves? I'm
guessing you're in the USA, but it's much harder to legally get a weapon
over here in Canada