GM kills Saturn after Penske ends deal. Obama Motors announces "Yugo" rebirth.

So let's have a ccouple of examples.

Foreign policy adventures are a different discussion. You were talking
about governments and interference in their citizens' lives.

DAS

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I already gave the best example I can think of.

"In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution with all its
faults, if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary
for us, and there is no form of Government but what may be a blessing to
the people if well administered, and believe farther that this is likely
to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in
Despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall
become so corrupted as to need despotic Government, being incapable of
any other. I doubt too whether any other Convention we can obtain, may
be able to make a better Constitution.

Much of the strength & efficiency of any Government in procuring and
securing happiness to the people depends, on opinion, on the general
opinion of the goodness of the Government, as well as of the wisdom and
integrity of its Governors. I hope therefore that for our own sakes as a
part of the people, and for the sake of posterity, we shall act heartily
and unanimously in recommending this Constitution (if approved by
Congress & confirmed by the Conventions) wherever our influence may
extend, and turn our future thoughts & endeavors to the means of having
it well administered.

On the whole, Sir, I cannot help expressing a wish that every member of
the Convention who may still have objections to it, would with me, on
this occasion doubt a little of his own infallibility, and to make
manifest our unanimity, put his name to this instrument." -Benjamin
Franklin

Ben has been proven correct, and in this thread it's pretty clear that
people are quickly becoming incapable of any other form of government
than Despotism.

Wrong. what a government does overseas it will eventually do at home.
This is what history would teach people if they bothered to learn it.

If you can't see it, you must like it.

 

Should be in your repository. What is your OS? In Debian/Ubuntu/Mint
it is in Synaptic Package Manager. Other distros use rpm, I think.

 

I see it and dont like it.. However, I expect a certain amount of
police protection. This may be a free country, but it should not be
an anarchy, where everybody does whatever the hell he wants.

 

I'm not sure you can call a girl's tongue a pole... Though Billy boy
probably thought it was.

 

He didnt discriminate very much, I guess.

Ever try to tell your wife that a BJ from some other woman
was not really a sexual relationship?

 

Then you don't understand the term anarchy.

If everyone "does whatever the hell they want" as long as it doesn't
affect others directly, then how is that considered "anarchy" in your
opinion?

 

Police have no obligation to protect you. They are there to enforce the
laws of the government. The government courts said so.

If you want protection you have to do it yourself or hire someone to do
it for you.

And this isn't a free country. One of the reasons why we have to ask
government permission for so much these days.

 

I understand "anarchy" very well. The way things have gone in America,
people feel that they are free to do what they like EVEN IF it spills over
onto other people.

We have laws intended to mitigate this rogueish behavior, but if they are
not enforced, or obeyed, a situation of civil disorder reigns.

Anarchy simply means that no one is in charge...no government. There may
appear to be a government, but if it is ineffective, it is still anarchy.

 

Maybe this will help him:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/shaffer/shaffer60.html
"What Is Anarchy?"

I think that article explains it pretty well...

 

Really? The motto of the LAPD is "To Protect and Serve."

Please post links to the government documents that say otherwise.

I did. It is called the police department.

Really? No police officer will stop me from walking down the street or
doing many other things. Of course, we have never been free do some
things, like kill others or run naked down the streets.

Jeff

 

You fall for bullshit. Congrats.

I see you're well informed... NOT.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html

"Published: June 28, 2005
WASHINGTON, June 27 - The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that the police
did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm, even a
woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent
husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation."

That's not how it works any more. The police work for the government.
Their primary job is law enforcement and revenue collection now. They
work for the ruling class as does the military, not us.

If they decide to stop you, they can and will. (Yes, it's happened to
me.)

 

The USA has countless laws selectively enforced. Where's the chaos? Why
is it that the more laws that are created the more lawless the society
becomes?

Funny how we got along so long without the government monitoring all our
interactions with each other.

 

Based on the good work that I see police do every day, I haven't fallen
for anything.

So? They may not have a constitutional duty, but that doesn't mean that
either the states or local government doesn't require them to protect or
serve.

You're welcome to believe that if you please.

And me, too. They have always had a reasonable reason.

jeff

 

How do you know what the government monitors? Remember the laws after
9/11? Not only could the gov't find out what library books we borrowed,
but the library couldn't even tell us they told the government.

Jeff

 

Actually, they DO have an obligation to enforce the laws and provide
protection to the people. Laws are enacted for the protection of the
people. Enforcement of the law IS a very basic and essential police
protection.

 

Raiding the wrong homes, killing people, locking people up for their
vices, torture, theft, and so on. They are the biggest street gang in
the country. But hey, if that's what you consider 'good work' I guess
there's no reason to argue.

LOL. cops don't care and nobody makes them care. It's not their job.
Every time I could have used some protection from cops they didn't care
and felt it too much trouble to even write it up. It was my problem and
my problem alone. Same with friends and family. Now maybe there are a
few individual exceptions out there but I figure they don't last long in
that profession except maybe in some bufu town.

Oh, and btw, local police departments are largely federalized by taking
federal money for toys and running checkpoints and other such things. It
would be nice if local cops could be counted on standing in the way of
the feds but that is probably highly unlikely in today's environment.

Do you really think that cop with a radar gun at a nonsensical drop in
speed limit is 'protecting' you? Come on now. He's doing what his
employer wants, collecting money from the population.

Well that explains your views then, you think it's reasonable to be
stopped and searched. It's not. One second I'm walking home with my
dinner the next I have a screaming cop in my face... yeah. Land of the
free... LOL.

 

I made no claim of any such knowledge. You're missing the point. The
point is we can get along without the ruling class telling us what we
must do and watching over us.

 

No they don't. Try suing the police department when you're a victim of a
crime. If they had an obligation to protect us from criminals they could
be sued when they failed.

Laws are enacted for those who wish to control others or seek to take
wealth from others in most cases. There is very little need for new law
governing people interfering with each other.

How's that war on drugs going?

 

yuck yuck