GM kills Saturn after Penske ends deal. Obama Motors announces "Yugo" rebirth.

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Major Debacle, Oct 1, 2009.

  1. No, there ain't no damned Yugo.

    http://money.cnn.com/2009/09/30/news/companies/penske_saturn/?po
    stversion=2009093019

    Auto dealer terminates agreement with General Motors, citing
    concerns about supplies of the vehicle after GM stops producing
    Saturns.

    NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Car dealership operator Penske
    Automotive Group announced on Wednesday that it has cancelled
    plans to acquire General Motors' Saturn unit. As a result, GM
    said it will wind down the brand and dealer network, potentially
    putting 13,000 Saturn dealership jobs at risk.

    The announcement comes nearly four months after Penske agreed to
    buy the rights to the 19-year old brand from GM when the
    automaker was in bankruptcy.

    As part of the deal, GM would have continued making Saturn's
    three best-selling models -- the Aura sedan, as well as the Vue
    and Outlook cross-over SUVs -- for the rest of this year and
    next. Penske, which is an auto distributor and not a
    manufacturer, would have sold the cars on behalf of GM. Penske
    said it would find another third-party manufacturer to make new
    Saturns in 2011.

    But negotiations with another, unnamed manufacturer fell through
    after an agreement was rejected by that manufacturer's board,
    according to Penske. According to a report in the Wall Street
    Journal, the manufacturer in question is Renault.

    "Without that agreement, the company has determined that the
    risks and uncertainties related to the availability of future
    products prohibit the company from moving forward with this
    transaction," the company said in a statement.

    End of a brand
    As a result, GM said it would begin to wind down the brand and
    its roughly 350 dealerships nationwide. Penske's deal with GM
    was expected to be completed in October.

    "Today's disappointing news comes at a time when we'd hoped for
    a successful launch of the Saturn brand into a new chapter,"
    said GM Chief Executive Fritz Henderson in a statement. "We will
    be working closely with our dealers to ensure Saturn customers
    are cared for as we transition them to other GM dealers in the
    months ahead."

    A spokesman for GM said the broken negotiations with Penske
    would have "no anticipated impact" on plant closures or job
    losses.

    GM makes Saturns at plants in Fairfax, Kan., Lansing Mich. and
    Ramos, Mexico, all of which also make other GM brands, so GM
    doesn't expect that Saturn's closure will affect employment
    levels at those plants.

    "In all three cases where [Saturn] products are produced, there
    are other products, and GM will shift resources to those," said
    the company spokesman.

    The automaker said Saturn owners will still be able to have
    their cars serviced at GM dealerships after Saturn is shuttered.

    A tough job
    Some experts were skeptical about the risks inherent to Penske's
    deal with GM when it was first announced back in June. They
    argued that Saturn had led the auto industry with customer
    satisfaction, but that the brand sold poorly because the
    underlying car wasn't great.

    As a result, auto industry experts said Penske had its work cut
    out for it in finding a manufacturer who could make a great car
    for the Saturn brand.

    "The Saturn dealership network represented a unique opportunity
    for Penske," said Jeremy Anwyl, CEO of Edmunds.com. "The risk
    was sourcing product and that proved to be too much to overcome
    to complete the deal."

    Penske (PAG, Fortune 500) is owned by former race car driver
    Roger Penske, who owns NASCAR and IndyCar racing teams and
    distributes Daimler AG's Smart cars in the United States.

    Shares of the auto dealer fell 10% after hours.
     
    Major Debacle, Oct 1, 2009
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    Al Smith Guest

    Al Smith, Oct 1, 2009
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    who Guest

    I'm sure Opel is listening.
     
    who, Oct 1, 2009
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    raamman Guest

    I agree, it was a unique opportunity at Penske- to lose a lot of
    dough; I think that that late halt to negotiations was the plot as
    there was no public warning or indications that that might happen- a
    deal was always "expected to be finalized soon"-however, a foriegn
    maker might want to buy the brand at a fire-sale price to gain
    distribution into north america> and who has money right now ? and who
    would like but can't get into the north american or european market
    because aspects of their technology is lacking ?
     
    raamman, Oct 1, 2009
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  5. What's really amazing is how Obama has brought out the sore loser in
    so many people. I'm seeing stupid little digs like the one in the
    subject line in message fora all over the Internet. The level of
    bitterness is unreal!

    The election is over, and Obama is our President now. You losers need
    to get over it and move on with your lives.
     
    Scott in SoCal, Oct 1, 2009
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    N8N Guest

    I would also add, if conservatives don't like Obama, they can always
    put forward a viable candidate to oppose him. You know, someone
    articulate, intelligent, and not a religious right nutbar.

    nate
     
    N8N, Oct 1, 2009
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    Mike Hunter Guest

    I believe they would like to do that, but BO is getting into their lives in
    ways no one imagined, when he was campaigning.

    The problem seem to be they were not really listening to what he was
    actually saying during the campaigning. The things he is screwing with
    were the things he TOLD them he was going to "change," but few ever thought
    they would be such terrible changes.
     
    Mike Hunter, Oct 1, 2009
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    Mike Hunter Guest

    Not too worry, there will be plenty of good Republican that will be elected
    to the House and Senate in 2010 is current poles are correct. Particularly
    if the goofy Dims pass cap and trade and the currently healthcare reform,
    that will cost everybody more money for a government run system. LOL


    I would also add, if conservatives don't like Obama, they can always
    put forward a viable candidate to oppose him. You know, someone
    articulate, intelligent, and not a religious right nutbar.

    nate
     
    Mike Hunter, Oct 1, 2009
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    Brent Guest

    Actually the amount of stupid little digs appears to be far less
    than when shrub was in office now.

    'our president now'.... it's terms like that I find irritating. A
    president should be just some guy who handles the simple business of a
    simple government. Now if only the government would just let everyone do
    with their lives as they pleased, then maybe nobody would care who the
    president was (as it should be). Instead the president gets to try to
    take ever more power to interfere and run our lives. That's the problem.
    That's why people get so emotionally wrapped up in it.
    What I find amusing is how so many people who considered Ron Paul a
    crackpot are now trying to sound all libertarian. (their warmongering
    still gives their true nature away in most cases) I guess that's always
    true of the management team that's out of power at the moment. They get
    all warm and fuzzy about people's rights. Then they get in power and
    it's 'rights? what rights?'. Democrats were all for keeping the
    government from spying on us and against the wars until they got power
    agian. Now the spying is okay and they are trying to get a war started
    with Iran with the same sort of BS and spin shrub used with Iraq.
     
    Brent, Oct 1, 2009
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    Brent Guest

    You mean ways idiots didn't imagine.

    Obama is following along pretty much as I thought he would. He's
    maintained the power of the executive and is working to expand it. He's
    kept all the major shrub policies intact and working to expand some of
    them. His health care reform is the creation of a cartel to better the
    profits of the insider corporations just as anything else done before
    him. In the model of FDR he's had resources destroyed to prop up prices
    (cash for clunkers). The list goes on, but he's working pretty much as I
    thought he would. Not that McInsane would have done any differently.
    Perhaps McInsane would have war with Iran by now but O's working on
    that by trying to trump up non-issues.
    Just us crackpots, paranoids, and others dismissed as nutcases were
    saying what 'change' really was. Looks like the loonies were right
    again.
     
    Brent, Oct 1, 2009
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    PerfectReign Guest

    Wir sind die Jungs von der Opel-Gang,
    wir haben alle abgehängt.
    Wir sind die Jungs von der Opel-Gang,
    wir haben alle abgehängt.
    Opel-Gang!
     
    PerfectReign, Oct 1, 2009
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    hls Guest

    I would also add, if conservatives don't like Obama, they can always
    put forward a viable candidate to oppose him. You know, someone
    articulate, intelligent, and not a religious right nutbar.

    nate

    **
    Well said... I dont particularly like the Obama regime's trends and tactics,
    but McCain stood there like a puppet, saying nothing, no ideas, no light
    behind his eyes.

    I really dont care much for the two party system. I like multiparty
    systems,
    coalitions.
     
    hls, Oct 1, 2009
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    necromancer Guest

    Which is what McCain would have been had he been elected president - a
    puppet with that religious nutjob palin pulling the strings; and palin
    is really nothing more than george w bush with a bush...
     
    necromancer, Oct 1, 2009
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  14. What were the Penske people thinking in the first place? If Pontiac and
    Olds didn't have any value how could the Saturn brand have any? At least
    Pontiac and Oldsmobile had history, Saturn didn't. Saturn was a creation
    of GM's dysfunctional management, it just reminded people how badly
    fucked GM was. The Penske name could be used to market performance cars,
    but there wasn't anything in Saturn's lineup that remotely resembled a
    performance car. They were insane for even thinking about this deal, I'm
    sure they regretted making the original offer in the first place and
    they've been looking for a way out ever since.
     
    General Schvantzkoph, Oct 1, 2009
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  15. So you just fabricated the mention of Obama, right? In other words,
    you lied.
     
    erschroedinger, Oct 1, 2009
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  16. Are those barber poles? Magnetic poles?

    Those "poles" show people want health care reform and want a
    government option.
     
    erschroedinger, Oct 1, 2009
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  17. Like laws that allow detention without charges or a trial? Let the
    FBI demand from a library a list of books you've checked out? Let the
    gov't listen in on your phone calls without a warrant?
    Uh, who was it who labelled Iran part of the "axis of evil?" Didn't
    his name start with "B" and end with "H"?
     
    erschroedinger, Oct 1, 2009
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    Mike Hunter Guest

    YA' right LOL


    Are those barber poles? Magnetic poles?

    Those "poles" show people want health care reform and want a
    government option.
     
    Mike Hunter, Oct 1, 2009
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    Brent Guest

    And the big O has embraced that sort of thing as have most of his
    followers since the election... well those followers who don't just
    ignore it because they trust 'their guy'.
    I don't get hung up on the silly words our dear leaders use. the big O
    doesn't appear to have any more problem with imperial behavior than GW
    did.
     
    Brent, Oct 1, 2009
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    hls Guest

    Uh, who was it who labelled Iran part of the "axis of evil?" Didn't
    his name start with "B" and end with "H"?

    ****
    Er, might that be the same Iran that has threatened to wipe Israel off
    the map, and has been caught with an illegal fuel enrichment facility
    at Gom??
     
    hls, Oct 2, 2009
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