Gas Tank Fill Location All Wrong

Well, many middle age people must be in "in transsion" in Oregon, because
there are many older long time gas pumpers in the state.

It's a transition

No wonder the incidence of credit card fraud at Oregon gas stations is so
high. Many Oregon stations don't even let their criminal gas pumpers touch
the money, the have to employ a cashier too.

No thanks, I would rather NOT be mandated by the state to mix and mingle and
hand my money & personal information over to, or worse have my wife forced
to mix and mingle with this EX-CON trash, that we would NEVER otherwise
associate with in any way shape or forum.

You want to be charitable to the EX-CONs, have at it, My wife and I would
rather NOT.

Like I said, if you want to be charitable to the EX-CONs, have at it, My
wife and I would rather NOT.

Hum, maybe seal our borders, and they could take the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT work.

Bullshit, because that is not happening in the other 48 states THAT DO NOT
MANDATE WE ASSOCIATE WITH EX-CONS TO FUEL OUR CARS.

It is absolutely measurable, the total cost of each employee is a black and
white KNOWN figure. The customer pays that cost, a fact in every business,
all costs are ultimately paid by the customer, or the business fails.


So you could

Yet, somehow you think the STATE MANDATING I do business with and subsidize
Ex-Cons helps that???? Totally unrelated.

 

Yes they will and do, you need to get out a little more. I have had the
distinct displeasure of buying gas at stations in Oregon THAT DO NOT TRUST
THEIR CRIMINAL gas pumpers enough to let them handle the money. The also
have to employ a cashier. So when your pumping is done, the looser gas
pumper writes pump number and $ value on a small note pad, hands it to you
and you have to leave your car blocking the pump and walk inside to the
cashier to pay.

Wrong. Mandated by the government! If I want to allow self service at my
gas station, IT IS THE GOVERNMENT that will not allow me to do it.

 

In two misguided states (with relativly low populations) out of 50, ya
right!

And that TED is a FREE MARKET (Business governed by the laws of supply and
demand, not restrained by government interference, regulation or subsidy.
also called free enterprise) at work in a FREE Country. Stick your big
brother interference and social engineering plans up your ass.

"For those of us who have fought for it, FREEDOM has a taste that the
protected will never know."

 

This supposition on your part is pure fantasy, please supply links to some
reliable sources that concur with this, I'm sure you cannot. Unemployment
is only paid "temporarily" to the "previously employed".

You want unskilled jobs for the otherwise unemployable? STOP the flow of
ILLEGAL ALIENS through our borders. There's your source of millions of
unskilled jobs.

No I did not, but you can't get there from here. You are trying to compare
two prices in two different states that have dozens of variables, and treat
them as though the misguided no self service law is the only variable.

Unless you take into account everything, (state fuel tax, property tax,
state mandated employment costs, state and local business taxes Portland's
are very high, the list is gigantic) your comparison is meaningless.

There are plenty of Home Depots & Best Buys in Washington State, this is
irrelevant.

Hello, Washington repealed that years ago, not an issue today.

Your ignorance is simply sad, I suggest you start here:

Basic Economics A Citizen's Guide to the Economy
By Thomas Sowell
ISBN 0-465-08145-2

 

You are wrong, Tom.

It is mandated and enforced by the GOVERNMENT! In a FREE ECONOMY, it would
be decided on a daily basis by THE PEOPLE with their dollars!
Funny, in 48 states where the government does not mandate pump monkeys, the
people have universally chosen SELF SERVICE!

This book would go a long way toward your edification on this topic...

Basic Economics A Citizen's Guide to the Economy
By Thomas Sowell
ISBN 0-465-08145-2

Pay close attention of the rent control section...

 

We didn't have a choice and we still don't.
Can you say chosen by a preponderance of ignorant (in this case lazy too)
misinformed voters? This is a prime example of why a representative
government can and generally is much better than allowing a bunch of
ignorant people to be swayed by a few biased 30 second TV commercials, take
a position on an issue, vote on that issue, and yet they still have ZERO
understanding of that issue.

We do not have a choice. He who sways the most uneducated mindless cows
gets his way...

THAT IS NOT A CHOICE!

 

There is no training.

 

You have to compare all the variables, besides, there are absolutly
different qualities of gas, and Astro sells one of the lowest...

 

i don't give a damn about Oregon, i am not talking about Oregon, i never was
talking about Oregon. my comments are about New Jersey, and i said many
times that i was talking about New Jersey. so how do you associate what i
said about New Jersey into something about Oregon?? i do not see any
connection

 

and what exactly does a book on rent control have to do with the poeple of
New Jersey voting on the fact that we do not want self serve gas stations in
our state???

 

good for you. we had the choice, and voted to keep self serve out.

 

Umm - yes - you decided how *everyone* in your state would be forced to
do it. My way gives everyone the option. A group choice for everyone
is not choice by each individual, now is it.

I can go to the grocery store and choose among several brands and
versions of bread to buy. What you're saying is that your state could
vote to only allow one brand and type of bread in the grocery stores.
Since you all voted on it, you call that making a choice - which any
reasonable person would call b.s. If you don't vote on it and allow the
free market to offer whatever it will like it does now, guess what: Each
individual gets to truly make their own choice. Your voting on it
eliminated all choice even though you call that making a choice.

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')

 

I was just going by this post:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt....a/214f7d2512f888d6?lnk=st&q=#214f7d2512f888d6

Is it wrong?

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')

 

That's amazing. If your state voted to only allow one brand and type of
bread in the grocery stores, you would call that making a choice. But
if I go into a grocery store in a state that didn't vote on it, I can
choose among many, many types of bread. What you call choice, I don't
call choice. Where it wasn't voted on is where the true choice is.
You're confusing individual choice with group decision.

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')

 

WRONG. Here is CT self serve is allowed. The stations that offer to pump
for you do at incredibly inflated prices. We're not saving a penny over the
stations that pump in MA. (after taking out the tax differences). Some
stations offer full service at 30¢ to 50¢ a gallon more so they dissuade you
from using that "service".

No one in my household chose self service, it is just not offered as it is
in other states at reasonable or the same prices.

 

So the reason my state should outlaw self service is so that ex-cons can
have jobs? Sorry - we'll never see eye-to-eye.

Let's see - maybe tell them they need to get some education and skills.

Tell them they should have listened when people tole them not to drop
out of school. Pay them to go around giving lectures to kids in school
telling them not to do what they did?

Tell them they should have listened to people when they told them not to
get pregnant, that actions have consequences. Pay them to go around
giving lectures to kids in school telling them not to do what they did?

Tell him the same thing you tell the dropout and the one who got pregnant.

So banning self service gas is the way to create private welfare instead
of government welfare? Not sure where you're going with this.

Then I guess they better find another line of work. Not my problem, is it.

Yes - the free market would say that if that's true, then the newspapers
will have trouble finding enough cariers, so, if the newspaper wants to
stay in business, they better raise the carrier pay scales to get enough
carriers so their newspaper can stay in business. If the money taken in
from selling newspapers can't pay the carriers *and* keep the newspaper
afloat, then the newspaper will go out of business. If the public is
not willing to pay enough for the subscriptions to keep the newspaper in
business with all of its costs, including paying the carriers a living
wage, then it should go out of business. See how the free market works?

Whatever the free market decides. If it costs more, it costs more.

Let it go to private enterprise. Guess where the people who are
presently postal carriers could get a job? Should we ban email because
it takes jobs away from people who might otherwise have jobs delivering
mail?

You must be kidding. Why stop at self-service gas stations. Why not
outlaw people shopping in grocery stores. Make the stores hire people
to get the groceries from lists that the people would make up and hand
them. (If you don't like that example, then choose some other just as
silly example of your choosing - makes as much sense as banning
self-service gas for the reasons you cite.) After all, paying those
people to do that would cost society less than those same people being
on welfare. Is that what you're saying? Your argument is ridiculous.

If milk in glass containers is that important to enough people, then
they can start their own milk company and use glass containers. If the
demand is there for it, they can make a go of it. If not, then they
will go out of business. Oh - guess what - they did. Guess people
don't care enough about glass milk containers to pay the extra costs
involved, or they flat out prefer the paper and plastic cartons for some
reason.

The laundryman doesen't

So I guess we ought to ban grocery stores selling milk, and outlaw
permanent press and wash-and-wear clothes to keep all those milkmen and
dry-cleaners off the welfare doles. That makes as much sense as your
reasoning for banning self-service gas.

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')

 

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit is it Tom? It is not a book
on rent control, and that was never inferred.
It is a book on basic economics, of which you are woefully ignorant, the
section on "rent control" just speaks very well toward your uninformed ideas
that less personal choice and more government control makes your life
better...

Sowell is at his best discussing microeconomics in the first two-thirds of
the book. Unlike most accounts, which cover the subject from the point of
view of business or investment, Sowell concentrates on government action, in
an effort to prepare the reader for civic participation. He addresses price
controls and subsidies in detail, both as important political issues in
their own right and to demonstrate how prices work by showing what happens
when they are constrained. In the final third of the book, he wades into
more complex and controversial territory--macroeconomics, international
economics and popular fallacies-

 

but we did not vote on only one type of bread. the people of the state of
New Jersey said we don't want to pump our own gas. what is so hard to
understand about that??

if i travel out of state, i then have the choice of self serve, or full
serve. and when given that choice, i use full serve, cause i dont want to
pump my own fuel.

 

Not hard to understand at all. Just quit making it sound like choice
was increased by eliminating choice.

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')

 

No - you voted to not allow anyone the choice.