Gas $1.55 gallon in China, so why do we pay more?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Nomen Nescio, Apr 30, 2005.

  1. Nomen Nescio

    tango Guest

    I don't care to get in the middle of this pissing contest, but the record
    needs some facts added concerning CC permits and gun laws.
    While most states now allow CC permits without too much hassle, not all
    states and cities do. Getting a CCW in certain cities like N.Y. New York
    won't happen unless you have political connections.
    Only 2 or 3 states allow open carry, and if you try to go down a public
    street in most places with a gun strapped to your side you will donate your
    gun to law enforcement and most likely get a free vacation where you have
    no privileges.
    Concealed carry means exactly that.
    You can walk around with a weapon strapped on within your own house or in
    many rural areas as long as you are on your own property.
    In states which have shall issue gun laws the issuing agency must issue any
    law abiding citizen a permit unless they can be disqualified by being a
    convicted felon or other disqualifying reasons.
    I get pissed when I see people making idiotic and misleading statements
    which give all law abiding gun owners a bad image.
    It only takes a few idiots to give the people who would like to take away
    everyone's right to have a gun the necessary ammunition to continue this
    effort.
     
    tango, May 2, 2005
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    Bill Putney Guest

    Not in my state (which also happens to also allow open carry in
    general). I suspect concealed carry is similar in other states to my
    state without the "only on private property" restriction that you
    suggest. Concealed carry means you can carry a concealed weapon except
    where it is specifically forbidden (such as places of worship,
    courthouses, military bases, airports, and federal facilities). In
    other words, I can walk down any public street (with the exception of
    one city) and legally carry a concealed weapon.

    Humorosly, my state's laws say it is illegal to have a firearm anywhere
    near you while you're involved with an illegal alcohol still or its
    products. Where the heck did that come from!? 8^)
    Yep - my state has that.

    Bill Putney
    (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
    adddress with the letter 'x')
     
    Bill Putney, May 3, 2005
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    MoPar Man Guest

    I guess when the UN isin't involved, the US will steal money from
    itself...

    Guess whats not "in your wallet" -> the tax money that being siphoned
    by defense contractors in scams like this.

    Kofi Annan and the UN pales in comparison to Bush/Cheney and the white
    house when it comes to thievery and deception.

    You all realize that the plan to divert social security money to Wall
    Street is a scam designed to pump money into big investment
    companies. Limbaugh and the rabbid right use the UN as their whipping
    boy to divert attention away from domestic scandals like this:

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    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...5may05,0,7432321.story?coll=la-home-headlines

    U.S. Officials Suspected of Embezzlement in Iraq
    Nearly $100 million in reconstruction funds is unaccounted for,
    investigators say.

    By T. Christian Miller, Times Staff Writer

    WASHINGTON — The U.S. government has opened a criminal inquiry into
    suspected embezzlement by officials who failed to account for almost
    $100 million they disbursed for Iraqi reconstruction projects, federal
    investigators said Wednesday.

    Auditors have been unable to fully document how the money was
    allocated to Iraqi workers by a small group of officials working from
    a U.S. outpost in Hillah, according to an audit report released
    Wednesday by Stuart W. Bowen Jr., the special inspector general for
    Iraq reconstruction.

    The auditors found "significant" problems in the Hillah office,
    including one case in which an official fired for mishandling funds
    was allowed to continue disbursing money nearly a month after his
    termination.

    The case is the first time U.S. government officials have been
    investigated for a suspected major corruption scheme involving the
    Iraq reconstruction. The rebuilding effort has been marred by
    allegations against Iraqis as well as contractors from the United
    States and elsewhere.

    The reconstruction funds that were examined came from seized assets of
    the former regime of Saddam Hussein and from Iraqi oil revenue, not
    from U.S. taxpayer money.

    A few other U.S. officials in Iraq have drawn the scrutiny of
    investigators for smaller incidents, though none have been charged. In
    the cases now under investigation, the report notes questionable
    accounting practices by several officers involving millions of dollars
    over a 16-month period ending in October.

    Investigators are looking at a "handful" of possible suspects, said
    Jim Mitchell, a spokesman for the special inspector general's office.
    He noted that the inquiry was in an early stage, saying only that the
    discrepancies uncovered by the auditors warranted referral to criminal
    investigators.

    He also said it was unclear whether the U.S. officials operated in
    concert, since they served at different times.

    "We're not saying the money is lost. We're saying they can't account
    for it," Mitchell said.

    One U.S. official told auditors that he was given $6.75 million on
    June 21 and told he had to spend the money by June 28, the day the
    U.S.-led administration in Iraq turned over sovereignty to an interim
    Iraqi government.

    U.S. officials "were under the impression that it was more important
    to quickly distribute the money to the region than to obtain all
    necessary documentation," the audit report says.

    Auditors were struck by a series of apparent accounting errors in the
    Rapid Regional Response Program, an obscure rebuilding effort operated
    from the Hillah office. The program was designed to jump-start
    reconstruction in south-central Iraq by allowing U.S. officials to
    quickly issue contracts worth up to $200,000 each.

    To pay for contract work in Iraq's cash-based economy, the U.S.
    appointed military personnel and civilians to physically hand out
    money to Iraqis. The U.S. officials were then supposed to reconcile
    those payments with receipts. But the auditors found that such
    receipts were lacking or incomplete for $96.6 million of $119.9
    million in payments.

    In one case, two U.S. officials left Iraq after completing their tours
    of duty without accounting for a total of $1.5 million. The manager of
    the cash funds zeroed out the balance on a spreadsheet — an apparent
    attempt "to remove outstanding balances by simply washing accounts,"
    the audit report says. The officials, like all others in the audit,
    were not named.

    In another case, the U.S. on May 30 ordered the removal of the
    official in charge of the overall cash program, but he remained in the
    job until June 20. When told he had failed to account for $1,878,870,
    the official returned exactly that sum three days later — leading to
    suspicions that he had "a reserve of cash and turned in only the
    amount" needed to complete the clearance process, the report says.

    In another case, one payment official had three errors in his
    accounting books. In one example, he told superiors that he had given
    $311,100 to another U.S. official when he had actually handed over
    $1,210,000, leaving it unclear where the remaining $898,900 was, the
    report says.

    Two other audits, also released Wednesday, criticize the overall U.S.
    handling of Iraqi and U.S. funds.

    For contracts funded with Iraqi money, contract officers could not
    show that services had been delivered in more than half of 300
    contracts valued at $332.9 million.

    For contracts funded with $18.4 billion in U.S. taxpayer funds,
    officers could not even find about a quarter of 48 contracts that had
    been selected for review. Other contracts were found stuffed in
    drawers or misfiled.

    U.S. officials responding to the audits acknowledged problems and
    promised to fix them. They blamed the discrepancies on the difficulty
    of operating in a wartime environment.

    The officials cited challenges such as high turnover, security
    concerns and a lack of basic office supplies, including file cabinets.

    "The environment here in Iraq during the war had a debilitating effect
    on the quality of statements of work and contracts in general," Army
    Maj. Gen. John Urias, the head of contracting in Iraq, wrote in a
    remarkably candid reply. "Crisis management was the order of the day."

    Army Col. Thomas Stefanko, who now oversees the Hillah office, said he
    was forming a "special action team" to investigate the discrepancies
    and collect any missing money.
     
    MoPar Man, May 5, 2005
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    frenchy Guest

    <<China was given something to sit back and relax when the US invaded
    Iraq. Continued raping (er, I mean access) to the US economy with
    cheap goods and outsourcing is part of it (most-favored-nation-status
    when it comes to trade).>>>

    Raping? I''d liken it more to the US being a whore with our legs
    spread.
     
    frenchy, May 6, 2005
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