Ford takes a dive, DC will be #2 soon

You missed the point. New unit sales only tells part of the story.

Sooner or later, consumers will wake up and realize that they cannot
aford a cheap car! If they pay $30,000 for a GM, but have to buy a new
one every three years then over a 9 year period they have spent
$90,000 - plus interest - on "cars". Why do that when you could buy a
Japanese car for, say, $45,000 that will last the same 9 years???

Net cost of ownership is 1/2 that of domestics in that scenario.

And the number of vehicles on the road and their current breadown is
simply the Legacy issue and inertia Iwas refering to. OF COURSE GM is
#1 with the most cars on the road - for now! But as the GM cars die
off, and are replaced with Japanese cars of higher quality, then the
slice of the pie for GM gets smaller and smaller.

As another poster pointed out, it is cleaver of GM to offer "easy
payment terms". GM is, therefore, no better than a slum lord! People
live in crummy appartments and tennements because they cannot aford to
save up the down payment. The same is true for cars. People can afford
a certain amount for a car from their budget. So, if GM offers "easy
payments", then GM extracts their cash and gives them a crummy product
in return. This perpetuates the cycle! In the end, the customer never
completely owns the car, and is in a state of perpetual debit. GM
makes money, the banks make money, and the gravy train keeps on
running. And the customer, well s/he is screwed. Just like the folks
stuck in a tennement. A lifetime of working and paying rent, with
nothing to show for it. So GM exploits their customer, rather than
helping them. Great way to do business.

I have seen it time and time again, you cannot aford poor quality. And
this ripples out into environmental damage as well. More junked cars,
more waste, more damage. But that is OK as long as someone is making
money.

GM's appearance of success notwithstanding, I beleive that I will see
the fall of GM in my lifetime. Any company that exploits its customers
and refuses to treat them with respet by prviding value for the money
will utimately fail. It may take a while, but they will.

And on top of that, my boss recently upgraded the company van to a GM
Montana (current model year). I had to use it for a pick-up the other
day. I did not like it AT ALL. It felt cheap and plasticy. The
steering was so articficial, I could not even properly feel the road.
It was noisy, and NOT comfortable. When I contrast this against my
2002 Grand Caravan, my GC blows the doors of GMs tinny little piece of
crap. You could not GIVE me that GM van. So I see not much has
changed.

 

quite literally. i think the last Ford had to step down recently? well,
he's still on board. i was relieved to hear him admit that he has to
go. nice guy but not the sharpest pencil in the box.

what are the chances that we will be able to teach calculus to our auto
workers? just because. i remember reading how the you know who could do
calculus and our boys and girls could barely do remedial math. but i
digress in this series.

i know. i just bought a casio that does integrals for $15. come to
think of it i probably have close to 10 calculus books and still can't
remember partial derivatives. damn. any of you remember that? i have
taken my brain to the limit and left it there

"Ford Motor Co. fell 16 cents to $7.66 after the company said it will
pay board member John Bond $25,000 a day to be a consultant to Chairman
William Clay Ford Jr. as the auto maker goes through a massive
restructuring. Bond's total fees under the consulting deal are capped
at $262,500 every 12 months, according to a Ford filing with the
Securities and Exchange Commission."

so Chairman Ford is still on board but is getting help to the tune of
$25,000 a day.

gee golly gum drops, soon we will be into real money

that stock price is kind of low for a big powerful company. that's
scary.

no wonder the people in michigan are leaving.

 

"Billy Boy" Ford, being the good family rat that he is, decided to
bail out when it looked like the S.S. Ford would capsize with him at
the con. "Not the sharpest pencil in the box" would easiy describe
the entire Ford family going all the way back to Henry, who just
happened to have the right, simple idea, at the right time in history.

Hell, I have enough trouble remembering binomial surds!

Now you've reached the crux of the problem...the Ford family, as
reinforced by the drunken/drug induced excesses of King Henry II,
think they're running a private fiefdom, not a public corporation.

The Republican Party also appears to be leaving Michigan. Even the UP
wants them out!

 

The only "point" Charlie Nudo, a delusional rightard colostomy bag
from Drums, PA, understands is the one on his pointy little empty
head.

 

....with rust in the bed. Seems like people in Noodles' area of NE
Penna accept rust as a part of life. His brain is certainly corroded
enough! LMAO

 

Henry Ford was stupid? Give us some more words of wisdom. We're all
ears. I'll bet you're a ton of fun at dinner parties.

 

He is not stupid at all. He is bright enough to realize he has to give
up the stewardship of the Ford Motor Company.

But he is certainly not bright enough to have earned the chairmanship
on his. His is an inherited position not an earned. Compared to those
who chaired the other companies, he is not too good. Not like that
Chrysler or the GM guys at the top.

Oh, you mean the original Ford? I think he was the one during the rise
of the Nazis who collected the largest anti-Jewish collection of books
in the world. Certainly in the USA. When this was exposed and
discussed, much to the consternation of the scholars who would like to
wade through that garbage, Ford burned it all.

That is why he is an idiot. Call him an idiot savant. A genius in
producing that Model T Ford and the first 20 years. Downhill after
that. Instead of collecting antiJewish books, he could have done
something a wee bit more intelligent.

from wiki:

By 1920 Ford had become virulently anti-Semitic and in March of that
year began an anti-Jewish crusade in the pages of his newspaper.[9] The
Independent ran for eight years, from 1920 until 1927, during which
Liebold was editor. The newspaper published "Protocols of the Learned
Elders of Zion," which was discredited as a forgery during the
Independent's publishing run by The Times of London. The American
Jewish Historical Society describes the ideas presented in the magazine
as "anti-immigrant, anti-labor, anti-liquor, and anti-Semitic". In
February 1921, the New York World published an interview with Ford, in
which he said "The only statement I care to make about the Protocols is
that they fit in with what is going on". During this period Ford
emerged as "a respected spokesman for right-wing extremism and
religious prejudice," reaching around 700,000 readers through his
newspaper. [10]

Along with the Protocols, anti-Jewish articles published by The
Dearborn Independent were also released in the early 1920s as a set of
four bound volumes, cumulatively titled The International Jew, the
World's Foremost Problem. Vincent Curcio writes of these publications
that "they were widely distributed and had great influence,
particularly in Nazi Germany, where no less a personage than Adolph
Hitler read and admired them. Hitler hung Ford's picture on the wall,
and based several sections of Mein Kampf on his writings: indeed, Ford
is the only American mentioned in Hitler's book.

So Ford influenced Hitler. Now is that smart?

 

He wasn't very bright, nor was he educated at all. His assembly line
idea, the grasp of economy of scale in production, the idea of a
cheap, affordable car and his idea that men should be paid a decent
wage were about the only things that got him fame and fortune. Most
of his other native ideas were abject failures, such as "you can have
any color you like...as long as it's black," his refusal to believe
that his "thermosyphon" cooling system was a failure without a water
pump, and his refusal to use hydraulic brakes or starter motors,
because he didn't understand nor trust them. Henry did have one,
later mometary glimmer of brilliance with the cast-en-bloc V8 in '32,
but that would be his last. Earlier, Henry Sr. also resisted the
sliding gear transmission, thinking it was too fragile and dangerous,
and that his planetary transmission was good enough for all time. (In
a way, he was right...all automatic transmissions except CVTs use
planetary gear sets!) He abhorred "turret top" styling that became
the norm of the '30s and other styling and mechanical advances. As
you may remember, Walter Chrysler and the Dodge Brothers were some of
the first to adopt hydraulic brakes as standard equipment, followed
soon by Durant's GM, and were on Delco's heels with the Prestolite
starter, while Ford's obsolete "tin lizzy" and even the first Model As
still needed a crank. Henry Ford was also a big supporter of Adolf
Hitler and many ultra right wing philsophies, and resisted any attempt
to make driving an automobile easier for women, as he considered it
"men's work" and believed that God didn't not intend for women ever to
drive.

By the time Henry Sr. left the company to King Henry II after Edsel's
early demise, FoMoCo's accounting and finances were a shambles based
on Henry's erroneous and flawed models and ideas. All that "fame and
fortune" got King Henry II a good education, despite his lack of
brilliance, and he immeidately set out to impose modern accounting and
inventory systems on FoMoCo, which prepared them to sail around
Chrysler as the #2 player after the introduction of the sleek '49
models and copious "hype" advertising of their obsolete V8 engine.
Chrysler, with fabulous, inventive engineering but moribund styling
and even worse advertising, fell behind quickly until Virgil Exner
stirred the pot starting in '54.

One of King Henry II's most valuable and lasting contributions to
FoMoCo: the alphanumerical parts and assemblies numbering and
accounting systems, which are still in use today, though computerized.
One of his lasting detriments: His slogan, "mini cars, mini profits,"
which he'd use time and time again as he'd personally axe economy car
projects one after another. The Falcon project, a brainchild of
Democrat Robert McNamara aided by Iacocca, sailed through without King
Henry II's approval, and he even tried to kill it after its
introduction in late '59, stopped only by its stunning sales success
as well as that of the more luxe twin, the Comet. King Henry II was
also the secret booster of the completely screwed up Edsel program,
although after its complete failure, he'd deny any connection to it at
all. Edsel, originally thought to be competition fo GM's Oldsmobile
and Chrysler's already dying De Soto, could have succeeded if managed
by someone with better management skills. To this day, FoMoCo denies
any connection between the Edsel and King Henry II, but those who
worked there at the time have a different story.

Meanwhile, a certain "Eye-talian" was propelling the Ford Division
further ahead with the Thunderbird project and was Detroit's first
proponent of safety design and equipment in '56, but King Henry II,
being a chip off the old family block, always sought to rein him in,
as he thought, as did Henry, that "Eye-talians" weren't "good enough"
to be in top management. His name is Lido Iacocca, and he's a big
part of the reason that Daimler's Chrysler Division is in far better
shape than Ford is now. The ghost of Henry was still alive way into
the '50s at Ford, though, as Henry II couldn't understand why they had
to convert to 12 volt negative ground electrical systems. He finally
gave up and threw in the towel in '56, the last of the US
manufacturers to do so. Telling also is that Ford continued to use
obsolete 6 volt systems, as well as Model A and flathead V8 engines,
in their tractor and industrial lines way into the 1960s.

Another American legend who wasn't very bright, but whose condition we
now know as ADHD kept him busy day and night in his "laboratory,"
blowing and burning things up until he got something to work, also set
the stage, as did Ford Sr., for the "American Century." His name was
Thomas Alva Edison, another guy whose ideas were flawed and
oversimplistic, but were used to great advantage by others with more
technical accumen. A student of history knows, however, that it
wasn't Edison who "lit up" the world...it was Nicola Tesla, under the
financial auspices of inventor George Westinghouse. Edison, however,
was a master at self promotion and "hype" and for decades, Americans
thought that the electrical power in their homes and offices was the
fruit of his labor, when the only thing that was were his light bulbs.
A remnant of Edison's hubris and hype are the many electric utilities
today which bear his name; none bear the name of the real inventor of
modern electrical generation and distribution, Tesla, although
Westinghouse had his name of a good deal of it. Now, Westinghouse,
like so many great American corporations, is gone, the victim of
mismangement and greed, and Edison's own General Electric is on cruise
control, set up to fail by the ruinous policies of "Neutron Jack"
Welch.

Put me in a dinner party with a bunch of Republicans and it's a laugh
a minute as they try to stab me with rubber butter knives! I'm also
the reason Charlie Nudo keeps having serial psychotic breaks on
Usenet.

 

......Blah blah blah blah.....

Yeah, yeah, we all know that you are quite adept at regurgitating
standard reference materials. I was just trying to point out how
childish it is to call people stupid just because they don't agree with
you.

 

ugly pimp car...

 

No, I call people stupid because they're stupid. When the shoe
fits....

By the way, I don't "regurgitate standard reference materials." I'd
put my research abilities up against yours anywhere, anyday, for any
amount of money you probably don't have. And no, "wikipedia" is NOT a
source authority for anyone but...stupid people!

 

It's also one of the most stolen cars in the US at this time, along
with Escalades, Benzes and other ghetto favorites, as well as the
vanilla and oft-wrecked Camrys...and...no surprise....Chrysler
minivans. It would appear that ghettoids and bubble brained soccer
moms are both pretty bad drivers as groups, giving the chop shops lots
of business. According to the California Highway Patrol, many stolen
Chrysler minivans wind up in Mexico, loaded to the gunnels with
bambinos from a people who don't know how birth control works.

I drove a 500. It's a slug. A nice slug, but to haul 5 people
around, my archiac M-body can run (and handle...cop brakes, cop tires,
cop suspension) rings around it and beat its EPA mileage estimate on
the road, even with a 318 and RWD! Only thing the 500 does better is
ride, and I doubt it could do that when loaded. The 500 also handles
worse than did my FWD Cadillac Sedan de Ville, which was at least a
half ton heavier!

The 300M with hemi is now one of the most expensive new cars to insure
in the country. I also drove one of those, and although it does
everything better than a Ford 500 (it'd better, for that price!) and
has tittilating (too much so) accelleration, seating for four is
claustrophobic and outward vision is horrid. Look for DC to
"deghettoize" the 300 in probably '08 to try to boost sales to its
target buyers again. One thing both GM and DC have learned...if you
market a vehicle to the ghetto thugs, everyone else drops it like a
hot rock. Ford has already learned from their miscues, and has
ordered dealers to remove ANY 20" or 22" dealer installed rims on the
500s. Not that this will help...one of the 500's problems is that it
looks like an overinflated Focus. Primary buyers of 500s so far have
been middle aged divorced women according to JD Power, which was
exactly Ford's target group, but they're still not buying in great
numbers. Meanwhile, the Focus has almost fallen off the map on sales
after its clumsy '06 restyle.

 

You certainly got me seeing some things I had not come across,
especially that one where Ford was an idol for Hitler. I could not
believe that when I read it. That's as bad and stupid as can be.

Now Tesla, I'm on home territory. I don't know how smart Edison was but
he was sharp and industrious. He was no dummy and he did steer Helen
Keller to the right people. Child counseling of the deaf and blind is
not anything he had any real experience with. He was deaf or nearly so,
but that's not the same thing as a child who is deaf and blind.

You're right that he is not a genius like Tesla or Steinmetz who
formulated the laws of transmitting AC for GE.

My best quote for Steinmetz. GE was going to throw him out because he
was smoking a cigar, and also was probably not very imposing, being
short and a little odd. He says, Steinmetz can do without GE but can GE
do without Steinmetz?

The answer was no so he was allowed to keep smoking.

Edison's genius lay in testing about 1000 things until he hit upon
carbonized whatevers for the filaments. Tesla would not bother with
such mundane things. But Edison's relentlessness is a kind of genius,
even if a bit on the obsessive side, still, he found the material that
would support light for practical usage.

Now my favorite tale about Tesla. He built a huge oscillating pump. He
turned it on and on in his native country. The neighborhood started to
shake. It appeared that the machine was vibrate the neighborhood like
an earthquake. Buildings were starting to shake enough that they looked
like they were going to fall down or come down.

A policeman figured it out and ran upstairs to Tesla's lab cursing him
out. Thereupon Tesla took a sledge hammer and busted up the cast iron
part of the machine, stopping the vibrating pump. Mark Twain has an
interesting anecdote about this machine when he visited Tesla and
Tesla, as a practical joke to the practical joker that Twain was also,
without telling him what this machine does, he had him stand on the
platform. Whereupon the machine made Twain just about shit in his
pants.

About Steinmetz, the AC guys won over Edison's DC. You're right, DC is
kid's play compare to AC but AC is more efficient but much more
complex. DC is a straight line. AC is up and down and phase angles and
square roots and sine waves and square waves and peaks and what not.
Drives you bonkers.

The laws governing AC are mucho very complex, in fact, they use complex
numbers. How many of us use "i" or the square root of -1 ever? I have
never had the need to use the square root of -1 yet. But for ordinary
usages, I don't need complex numbers.

Now what about your binomial surds? That reminds me of a dirty joke I
once heard from a mathematician about a young curvy integral who lost
her surds...

 

The Ford/Hitler love affair was a two way street. Hitler admired Ford
for being a rich industrialist and anti-Semetic, and Ford lusted after
Hitler's power and disdain for democracy.

The real clash of titans with AC was between Tesla and Steinmetz, both
genii and cutting edge engineers and mathematicians in their own
rights. Edison himself, with his 100 volt DC/local dynamo generation
plan held as sacrosanct, had been left in the dust as early as 1893
in matters of power transmission and distribution, while George
Westinghouse had the field all to himself for a couple of decades
until Steinmetz upset his (and Tesla's) apple cart.

Edison was not "smart," but more than made up for it by being
superhumanly industrious, even though this was most likely caused by a
mental disability. Many ADHD and dyslexia patients try to be
"overachievers," although very few succeed in doing anything truly
useful. In Edison's case, the overwork yielded positive results. Such
is not the case with our 91 IQ dyslexic current President, however.
Another two known ADHD patients who are successful "overchievers."
Richard Branson and Ted Turner.

It's pretty much agreed that Edison was an ADHD victim, and may have
had an obsessive/compulsive disorder as well. It worked to his, and
humankind's, advantage in that particular case.

You left out reactance.

The primary reasons Edison hated AC so much were twofold. First,
Edison, not being very well educated and having zero math skills or
aptitude, could not grasp the mathematics involved in transformer and
alternator theory and design, which was the province of both Tesla
and, especially, Steinmetz. Had Edison not have latched onto
Steinmetz when he did, he would simply be a dusty footnote of history
now. Secondly. Edison was far less concerned about "pure science" or
mathematics than he was about fame, power and profit. Although not a
skilled businessman even by early 20th century standards, he knew what
the robber barons of the 19th century already knew...that having
monopolistic control over an industry, service or product yielded
power and money. George Westinghouse and Tesla threatened to collapse
Edison's visions of grandeur, and so Edison, industriously and without
delay, set out to find a savior, and he found him in Steinmetz. Edison
never achieved his goal of monopolistic control of things electrical,
but his GE got perilously close at times.

Slowly, even after Edison's departure, GE gained ground against
Westinghouse Electric and started besting them in research and
development in the 1930s, especially in consumer and industrial
product development. All went well for GE through to the '70s...until
a squishy little turd named Jack Welch started getting ideas of his
own.....

You heard that one too, eh?

In summary, it seems that Edison's grand place in history was inflated
by his own sense of self importance, as was Henry Ford's. Indeed,
many of the inventions that made Edison rich and famous in his heyday
are slipping into the dustbin of history...the incandescent lamp, the
phonograph, the film projector...are all obsolete and are fading away.
However, everything you touch in your daily lives that involves
electrical energy...including the computer you're reading this
on...has at its core technology discovered, invented and brought to
life by the two unsung men of this article...Tesla and Steinmetz.
Intersting indeed, that Edison's tungsten lamp should finally yield to
Steinmetz' flourescent tube probably completely within the next couple
of decades along with another interloper, the LED.

 

OK, not only were Henry Ford, Thomas Edison and a lot of other people
stupid, but now I don't know how to find information in a book, and I
probably don't have money. Your powers of deduction are awe inspiring.

 

Hey if you want to start bashing entire families for anti-semitism, why
don't you discuss Joe Kennedy's role in and around WWII as ambassador to
England? Don't just pick on one family.

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')

 

And just think - you have all those problems and more and have never
accomplished one positive thing for anyone. Let's talk about Joe
Kennedy in WWII.

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')

 

DB is making an assinine comparison- Ford manufactured huge amounts of
war equipment for the USA in WWII, used to DEFEAT HITLER. Notice how
he conveniently left that out.

Ford was anti-semetic, against Jews. He was not pro-Hitler. Ford was
a capitalist. Not a nazi-fascist.

See it here in the archives:

http://media.ford.com/timeline/index.cfm?make_id=trust&news_section=1108

1941 March 1 Ford builds first general purpose (G.P., or "jeep")
vehicle for U.S. military at Rouge Plant.
1941 June 20 UAW-CIO & Ford agree to first closed-shop contract.
1942 February 1 World War II halts civilian car output; Ford shifts
to total military production.
1943 May 26 Edsel Ford dies at age 49.
1943 June 1 Henry Ford re-elected company president.
1944 January 22 Henry Ford II elected vice president.
1944 April 10 Henry Ford II elected executive vice president.
1945 June 28 Last B-24 Liberator bomber built at Willow Run Plant.
(Ford built 8,600 bombers, 278,000 jeeps and 57,000 aircraft engines.)



The Liberator bombers, along with the Boeing B-17, tore the industrial
heart out of Germany, and were key to winning the war- by bombing the
Nazi oil refineries- the Germans had very advances tanks, planes, jets-
but no fuel to run them. The bombing attacks cost Germany 30% of their
industrial hardware output, and 90% of their oil stocks were destroyed.

The Liberator had a larger bomb payload and longer range than the B-17.

So you can't say that Ford was Hitler's buddy.

 

that's a good one- you noticed how DeserTBob reads and types in the
text from a book, and then posts it- it's quite obvious he's a poser
and wannabee hiding a very dumb self in reality- if you ask certain
specific questions that can't be found on a website or book, he just
won't answer. I asked him how many oil galley plugs in a Pontiac V-8,
he could only come up with the front 2 plugs- because that's all that
is posted about on the net. See ? He didn't know there were 5 plugs
or where they were, because he never worked on a Pontiac.

DeserTBob's real self comes out once in a while- he made a post saying
a certain product was "worser" not too long ago- as we all know,
"worser" is not even a word, and also cannot be considered a "typo"-
it's a grade school grammatical error ! If you can find "worser" in a
dictionary, it will say a redundant form of "worse" considered a
vulgarism, i.e. only a dumb-ass would use the term.

And he claims he has a 4-year degree from UCLA- good thing that's a
free college- otherwise he'd deserve a refund ! Ask him what his major
was in, he has yet to answer that question.

How can a guy who uses the word "worser", point fingers at
achievers/inventors like Henry Ford (auto mass production expert and
multi-billionaire) and Thomas Edison (inventor of light bulb,
phonograph, vacuum tube, gas lighting, etc.) ??

See DeserTBob's "worser" quote here:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt....f774?lnk=gst&q=worser&rnum=1#6c3a0a343666f774

and here:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt....0dfb?lnk=gst&q=worser&rnum=3#4e55d57a08750dfb

or look here

http://groups.google.com/group/alt....s&q=worser&qt_g=1&searchnow=Search+this+group


ps- Ford was so "dumb", he MADE the pistons, crankshaft, and rods for
his first engine, from scratch in his back yard shop. Edison was so
"dumb", that he invented that light that's on in your computer room, as
you're reading this on this website.

What we have in DeserTBob is someone who his patently ANTI-AMERICAN.
He was too lazy and stupid to get a piece of the American dream, so he
hates the entire system.

 

On 21 Sep 2006 04:38:54 -0700, Charles M. Nudo Jr. of Drums, PA, aka
"shirked duty-dishonor-cowardice," who never served a day of his
worthless life in the US military but still steals West Point's slogan

He didn't have much choice in that matter at all. Congress and
President Roosevelt nationalized the industrial base of the entire
country to mobilize manufacturing for the war effort. Also, by that
time, Henry was pretty much out of control of things at Ford; King
Henry II was really running day-to-day company matters and had already
started to impose new financial and inventory control systems he'd
learned in school to straighten out Ford's hopelessly screwed up "back
office" functions. It is said that, in the final days of Henry Sr.'s
control, FoMoCo didn't really have any idea if they were making money
or not. If one also looks forward to the 1970s, a similar situation
existed at Chrysler, which, like what King Henry II was faced with
during the war, Iacocca had to take on as Job 1 before going forward
with the resuscitation of Chrysler with a salable product line.

Historical fact, again, proves Noodles wrong...not that he'll accept
it due to his paranoid delusional problems.

ROFLMAO! You take FoMoCo's OWN propaganda site as a source
authority?? No wonder you're wrong 100% of the time, Noodles!

Hey...you and your loony new pal Bill Putz-ney make a nice couple! Too
bad I have him kill filed, else I would've seen his typical neo-right
wing harangue about Joe Kennedy earlier.

Joseph P. Kennedy, as ambassador to England under FDR, was a big
supporter of empty suit PM Neville Chamberlain and his appeasement
policy toward Hitler. Chamberlain, for his trouble, got a flock of V1
rockets in return and a "no confidence" vote from Parliament, not to
mention the disdain of the British subjects. Kennedy's reasoning was
simple...he felt that further moves toward war with Hitler would
damage profitability for US business (including, of course, his own),
plain and simple. Kennedy's philosophy was backed by none other than
the right wing fanatic publisher of the Chicago Tribune, "Colonel"
Robert McCormick, who railed personally against "baiting" Hitler with
any military countermeasures, as it would be damaging to "American
free enterprise," a sentiment shared by other right wing business
interests at the time. It turns out that the "peace movement" in the
late '30s was mainly spearheaded by right wing corporate pigs, not the
people at large. My mother remembered that very well...money and
organizational work for peace rallies and other support was provided
in copious amounts, even to as far away as Los Angeles, by "Colonel"
McCormick and his right wing allies like Henry Ford through various
shell foundations and organizations. Kennedy, while agreeing solely
on financial opinion with the right wingers, otherwise had nothing
whatever to do with them. Like King Henry II's opinion of Lee
Iacocca, McCormick and his cigar chomping pals didn't think much of a
"shanty Irisher" like Joe Kennedy, and saw him and his boss, FDR, as a
"communist threat" to their financial interests. The light of
history, however, proved them (as well as Joe Kennedy) completely
wrong, and FDR and Churchill right.

Those are the facts. I'm sure Putz-ney and Noodles will not agree, as
their right wing "gods" say otherwise, but I could not care less, and
with Putz-ney kill filed, won't see the expect spewing of fanatical
vitriol. Noodles will reply with something stupid as usual, with
which I can continue to use to bash in his empty, diseased head.