Fiat CEO: Chrysler worse than we thought

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Jim Higgins, Sep 16, 2009.

  1. Jim Higgins

    MoPar Man Guest

    This is what you said:

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    Nowhere in the segment I quoted did you make any indication that you
    would choose the better product regardless who made or designed it. All
    you talked about was that you would choose an American designed/built
    product "when possible". Any rational reader would conclude that your
    "when possible" proviso meant that IF there was an American-made
    version, you would buy it, and if there wasn't, that you'd then buy
    foreign-made.

    If by "when possible" you meant "when appropriate" or "when suitable",
    you should have said it.

    The part about paying more for a US-made version remains unexplained.
    If you would pay more for a US version, presumably it would be because
    it is a "better" product. If there was no such increase in product
    quality, then why would you pay more for the US-made version?
    There is really no consistent, unbiased, experienced or accurate source
    for comparative information for many consumer-grade durable goods.
    Beyond a simple spec-sheet describing the basic capabilities or features
    of a given product, consumers really have no way to know much about the
    intimate mechanical or structural details of most products and how those
    details will play out over the lifespan of the product.

    For many types of consumer products that even have reviews, many times
    by the time the review is published, the product will be close to being
    replaced by next-years version.
     
    MoPar Man, Oct 8, 2009
    #41
  2. Jim Higgins

    Steve Guest

    Let's just chalk your inability to understand my motivation in this
    regard to the same phenomenon that makes me unable to fathom why on
    God's green earth you'd prefer a v6 300M or other front-drive LH chassis
    to a rear-drive v8 LX chassis Charger or Challenger.

    We're different people with different preferences.
     
    Steve, Oct 8, 2009
    #42
  3. Jim Higgins

    MoPar Man Guest

    And after your latest reply it still is.
    And for which you obviously don't want to explain yourself.
    Because I, like about 1/2 of the population of North America, have to
    deal with snow and ice for some part of the year, for which
    rear-wheel-drive vehicles are totally unsatisfactory in dealing with.

    If I had a 3-car garage, then ya, sure, I'd have a nice RWD car parked
    there during the winter (and hopefully not a 2-ton RWD car either). But
    I don't. So my daily driver has to be able to handle the summer and
    winter. My other vehicle is a 2001 Dodge Ram, with a 318 V8 (ie - 5.2L)
    and I sure as hell don't drive it in the winter.

    And with regard to your comment about a v6-300m, you obviously don't
    know what a 250 hp engine can do with a 3600 lb car. 14.4 lbs per hp
    ain't bad.
    And some are more sane, rational or practical than others.
     
    MoPar Man, Oct 9, 2009
    #43
  4. Jim Higgins

    Licker Guest

    "MoPar Man" response to Steve on > > The part about paying more for a
    US-made version remains
    Imagine if the US produced no poroducts. Take for example tires. Many of
    the US tire companies are shifting operations overseas because labor cost is
    cheaper. They in turn return the product back to the US with tariff's
    attached sometimes and sometimes not. The company past the tariff to the US
    goverment and passes the tariff back to the consumer. So imagine if all the
    US manaufact6ures would move overseas where would people work. The service
    industry? There will not be enough jobs to support everyone. Going Global
    as the CEO of these companies call it is shutting down factories and plants
    in the US.

    This is will eventually lead to a smaller number of Americans earning decent
    wages and even having fulltime jobs. I for one support US made products as
    much as I can. I take time to research where it is made before I buy. I
    like Steve is willing to pay a little more to help out my fellow American.



    rear-wheel-drive vehicles are totally unsatisfactory in dealing with.


    Just because you live in an area of snow does not mean that because you like
    a certain car model it should be produced only in front whell drive. I for
    one hate front whell drive because of the lousy truning radius and lack of
    room under teh hood to work on anything. Does this mean that the car
    manufacture should produce only rear wheel drive cars. No. The 300M sells
    very whell in the South untill recently when the economy dropped out. Car
    manufactures do not have statisfy you are I on drive train preference. The
    do their research and decide what going to sell the best. They then produce
    the vehicle based off of this research. Just like most research sometimes
    they get it right and sometimes they get it wrong.

    I come to the conclusion by reading the post that if any one does not agree
    with you they are wrong. Dude calm down, takes some valium or something.
    It called a difference of opinions.
     
    Licker, Oct 9, 2009
    #44
  5. And which SBW* test does that pass?

    DAS

    * so bl..dy what

    To send an e-mail directly replace "spam" with "schmetterling"
     
    Dori A Schmetterling, Oct 10, 2009
    #45
  6. Jim Higgins

    Steve Guest

    I did explain myself (given equal quality products, I'll keep my money
    within the US even if it means I spend a little more because its a net
    benefit to me). Its nothing more complicated than that!
    Traction control on RWD is better than FWD any day.
     
    Steve, Oct 16, 2009
    #46
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