Fiat 500: If This is Chrysler's Future, There is None

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Count Floyd, Aug 24, 2009.

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    DAS

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    DAS: Not necessarily. Especially E Europeans drive very large distances to
    western Europe. But is true we have a denser rail network.
    DAS: Or more, increasingly. 250 km/h at peak from London to Paris and
    Brussels. Wheee....
    DAS: Not necessarily...
     
    Dori A Schmetterling, Sep 3, 2009
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    Josh S Guest

    I drove many highway miles in VW Beetles during the '58 to '63 period.
    My highway speeds were 65 mph if I could get it to that speed. with the
    wind, no problem, against he wind a problem, long hills a big problem.

    The Beetle was the only small car at that time in Canada which could
    cruise at 60+ mph without experiencing early engine failure. This is why
    they became so popular, as well their excellent traction in snow. They
    had a reputation for being tough and pushed off the roads the British
    cars of that time, such as Austin, which was very fragile.

    They did have their problems though, poor brakes, poor heater and
    defroster, short muffler life, and sensitivity to cross winds and under
    steer on slippery roads.
    For their era they gave excellent fuel mileage, about the same as I now
    get with my '95 Concorde and '04 300M.
     
    Josh S, Sep 5, 2009
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    Bill Putney Guest

    Didn't they also require valve adjustments every 3000 miles or so or
    they would eat the valves? New valve tubes were required each time? I
    never owned one, but seems I always heard that about them.
     
    Bill Putney, Sep 5, 2009
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  4. In the US they way people drive, yes. I made a European "tour" back
    in the 70's driving a VW Microbus that topped out at 65 km/hr (no I
    don't mean mph) and had no problems on the German Autobahns because
    people followed lane discipline. I stayed in the right lane and
    people drove past us in the left lane, often looking at us funny.
     
    Ashton Crusher, Sep 5, 2009
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    Josh S Guest

    I didn't experience that valve problem, nor did I hear of it.
    I adjusted the valves about every 20k miles.
    Basically the engine was very solid and reliable, but some years changes
    introduced minor problems. My '56 VW engine was 100% reliable, but was
    very prone to carburetor icing during warm up on cold humid days. Later
    a heater was added.
    My '61 had an distributor problem, burning the points. A friend's had
    cam problems during guarantee, about '59.
     
    Josh S, Sep 5, 2009
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    Bill Putney Guest

    From some quick Googling:
    http://www.vwtrendsweb.com/tech/0106vwt_valve_adjustment/index.html
    http://www.glenn-ring.com/tech/valve_adjustment.htm
    http://autorepair.about.com/cs/doityourself/l/aa081603c.htm
    http://www.airheadparts.com/page.asp?recid=73

    Not sure why I heard about it and that it was critical to engine life
    and you didn't. Anybody else remember this stuff?
     
    Bill Putney, Sep 5, 2009
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    wwilson Guest

    Yes, the valves had to be adjusted regularily or the engine started
    missing and misbehaving in general.

    the upside was that I could go out on a Saturday morning and adjust the
    valves in less than 10 minutes. The easiest valve adjustment I ever saw.

    Some people did point out some real disadvantages. They were way
    underpowered and could not keep up with highway traffic. At the slightes
    hill, my '61 microvan would drop down to 40 miles per hour. Pretty scary
    with a big semi tailgating behind.

    They were also very light and were all over the road when the wind was
    blowing.

    Overall, I had mixed feelings. I liked it when I bought it and was glad
    when I traded it in for a full size Dodge van that had no trouble keeping
    up with traffic.
     
    wwilson, Sep 6, 2009
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    Josh S Guest

    Only the first URL mentioned fear of engine failure on VW valve
    adjustment.
    Perhaps the reference was to later higher powered VW engines than mine.
    I had a '56 and '61, only about 35 & 40 HP, also very low revving.
    I didn't drive them very hard, just chugged along.

    The main problem I heard around 1960 was people driving the VW van (BTW
    the first mini van!) too hard and burning up the engine.
    Being air cooled the engine was sensitive to hot temperatures and being
    driven too hard.
    Most times it was cool where I lived and the VW generally wasn't bought
    by those wanting to race. They were driven moderately, so I expect that
    was why valve adjustment wasn't a big problem where i lived.

    I notice one chap said a valve adjustment was easy to do, only 10
    minutes. I say BS to that, particularly if you didn't have a hoist.
    You had to lay on your side, remove the valve cover, position the engine
    cam, then adjust the valves. The valve cover needed to be properly
    replaced with a good gasket, or it easily leaked. Repeat on the other
    side!
     
    Josh S, Sep 7, 2009
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