Expansion Valve Adjustment on Dodge Van After Switching to R-134a

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by T.C. Mann, Jul 5, 2005.

  1. T.C. Mann

    T.C. Mann Guest

    Hello,

    This past weekend I converted my '84 B250 Dodge Van from R-12 to
    R-134a. I rebuilt the compressor using R-134a compatible seals,
    replaced the receiver/dryer, changed the oil, installed the proper
    fittings, pulled a vacuum, etc. I used 75% (by weight) of the regular
    R-12 charge. The manifold readings were 165 PSI and 35 PSI (high/low)
    with an ambient air temp of 82 degrees.

    The system seems to be cooling fine now. The only difference that I
    noticed is that the compressor seems to be cycling on and off more
    rapidly than when it had R-12. I have heard that sometimes the
    expansion valve need to be adjusted after changing to R-134a. Is it
    possible to adjust the expansion valve on these vehicles and if so,
    what is the proper procedure? Thank you.
     
    T.C. Mann, Jul 5, 2005
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  2. Don't see a parallel-flow condenser on this list. Means you will never get
    really good system performance. It'll never come up to the level of a
    properly-functioning R12 system in the same vehicle, especially in high
    demand situations (slow speed, hot days). On the other hand, if you don't
    make high demands of your A/C system, perhaps your threshhold of
    "acceptable" cooling is less stringent than mine.
    At what engine RPM? 165 on the high side is low.
    No such adjustment is possible.
     
    Daniel J. Stern, Jul 5, 2005
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  3. T.C. Mann

    tim bur Guest

    try adding a few more ounces of 134 pressures are a little low
     
    tim bur, Jul 6, 2005
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  4. T.C. Mann

    Mark Guest

    the TEV or TXV more than likely needs adjustment when changing refrigerants.
    You may also need to change the thermostatic charge element. ( the bulb and
    diaphragm assembly ) You could check superheat and subcooling figures to
    figure out if the system is charged and the TXV is working correctly. I
    have no idea what those figures would be for an automotive system or if a
    replacement element is even available. To learn more about TXVs go to
    www.sporlan.com - on the other hand if it has acceptable cooling and the
    pressures are not too high, leave it alone and enjoy life.

    mark

    I have heard that sometimes the
     
    Mark, Jul 7, 2005
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  5. This can *sometimes* be done on stationary installations -- TXV adjustment
    and thermostatic charge element replacements are not possible on MVAC, at
    least not on this system.
     
    Daniel J. Stern, Jul 7, 2005
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  6. T.C. Mann

    Mark Guest

    Thats what I pretty much figured. The only possibility is that a similar
    valve for a different refrigerant was used on a later year/vehicle. One of
    the big problems with individual retrofits is the lack of information and
    the difficulty of working with the aluminum tubing used in the system. (
    its a fairly simple matter to r&r components with a copper / brass based
    system)
     
    Mark, Jul 7, 2005
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  7. T.C. Mann

    tim bur Guest

    ok, scape the idea of a few more ounces
     
    tim bur, Jul 9, 2005
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  8. T.C. Mann

    Steve Guest

    And I would add "not necessary." The required operating ranges for both
    R-12 and R-134a are well within the operating range of the TXV, so it
    just does its thing and doesn't care which refrigerant is flowing
    through it.
     
    Steve, Jul 11, 2005
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