End of an era

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Billccm, Apr 3, 2004.

  1. Billccm

    Billccm Guest

    I was sitting in traffic today in front of my very small, family owned local
    Chrysler Jeep dealer today watching workers remove any and all PentaStar logos
    from the building and signage. In their place went the new 'blue ribbon' like
    Chrysler logo with the chrome 'wing'. I guess it is a sign that Daimler is here
    to stay, and Ma MOPAR is a thing of the past.

    Lee Iacocca mentions the pentastar in his autobiography as the most recoganized
    logo in the auto industry. Seems drastic to get rid of such a well known
    symbol, doesn't it? I wonder what Lee would have said if he had been there
    watching what I saw today?

    RIP Plymouth
    RIP PentaStar

    Guess I am a GM kind of guy from here on out.............

    Have a nice day,

    Bill
    88 Lancer Shelby
    91 LeBaron Convertible
    01 Chevy Impala LS
     
    Billccm, Apr 3, 2004
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  2. Hmm I bet you see the local Pagans digging through the dumpsters in the back
    for the next couple weeks hoping to get a hold of some of those! ;-)
    Consider that it was Iakooka who in 1982 ended use of all other types of
    Chrysler
    logos than the Pentastar on all Chrysler divisions, it is no wonder that he
    said
    this.

    The new logo has actually been in use since 1995 it appeared on much
    marketing materials for years before they started putting it on the cars.
    And
    as it's based on a far older logo of Chrysler's it's difficult to get worked
    up
    over Chrysler leaving it's "roots"

    No doubt 10-20 years from now the Pentastar will make a comeback at
    Chrysler as by then it will be "retro" and in fashion.
    No, not at all. It is only RIP when DC ceases paying the fees to the USPTO
    to retain ownership of the Pentastar. And I will bet that no matter what
    the
    flappers at DC and the posers will say publically, somehow your never
    going to see DC give up ownership of the Pentastar trademark.
    Yeah, much better logo! ;-)

    Ted
     
    Ted Mittelstaedt, Apr 3, 2004
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    Mike Guest

    I can understand somebody switching from one make to another because of bad
    experiences, but doing that because of a logo change?.. also, you seem to be
    somewhat of a GM kinda person already.. the Impala LS gave it away..
     
    Mike, Apr 3, 2004
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  4. Billccm

    Bill Guest

    And they will still use it in business somewhere too. I believe Chevron still
    has at least one "Standard" service station in each state to hold the trademark
    where they (Chevron...formerly Standard Oil of Ca) could use the name. For
    example, the New Mexico Chevron "Standard" station is in Albuquerque. Other
    baby Standards may do the same.
     
    Bill, Apr 3, 2004
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    mic canic Guest

    in my eyes it's a thing the F.T.C should have never let happen as well as others
     
    mic canic, Apr 4, 2004
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  6. Globally the most-recognised auto logo is the three-pointed star, one of the
    most-recognised logos, period. At one stage only Coca-Cola and maybe one
    other was better known. I haven't seen a recent analysis but I suspect the
    MB star is still in the Top 5.

    DAS
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    Dori A Schmetterling, Apr 4, 2004
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  7. Billccm

    Steve Guest

    I certainly miss the Pentastar as well, it was the universal symbol of
    Ma Mopar throughout my formative years (60s and 70s).

    But just as a trivial note- the current "ribbon" emblem PRE-DATES the
    Pentastar by a long way. The Pentastar wasn't used until circa 1962, the
    ribbon was in use in the 40s if not the 30s. Same thing for the Dodge
    "Ram". My favorite Dodge emblem has always been the 60's 3-pointed thing
    officially called the 'Fratzog' believe it or not- there's a poor
    rendition of one here:
    http://groups.msn.com/GlennsValiantPacerWebsite/clipart.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=540

    But the Ram head goes back at least to the 50s if not pre-WWII
     
    Steve, Apr 5, 2004
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  8. Billccm

    Steve Guest

    Steve, Apr 5, 2004
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  9. Billccm

    Bruce Yelen Guest

    And let us not forget the old Plymouth "Rocket" emblem that used to be used
    as a hood ornament.
     
    Bruce Yelen, Apr 6, 2004
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  10. Billccm

    Steve Guest

    Its actually a stylized/abstract sailing ship, but it does look a bit
    like a rocket. I've got that emblem in the steering wheel center on my
    daily driver (73 Satellite).
     
    Steve, Apr 6, 2004
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  11. Well, I'm blowed..... :)

    Seems to me that it might be fun to speculate on the origin of that name...

    "Fratz" might have come from "Fratze", German for 'pulled' face (usually
    derogatory and ugly)...

    DAS
     
    Dori A Schmetterling, Apr 6, 2004
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  12. Billccm

    Steve Guest


    The story I read was that the designer came up with it, the appropriate
    people liked it, it was decided to use it and THEN.... somebody said "We
    need to trademark it, and it has to have a name. What's it called?" The
    designer hadn't named it, but just made up the word "fratzog" to fill a
    blank on a form.
     
    Steve, Apr 6, 2004
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    NthDegree Guest

    That "Fratzog" link makes me want to fire up the old NES emus and send Link
    looking for the Tri-force again, hehehe...

    NthDegree
     
    NthDegree, May 10, 2004
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