Driving/maintaining a 1997 Chrysler LHS

Bruce Wappman · Oct 21, 2003

Ted Mittelstaedt said:

Bruce, your really on a slippery slope here.

Saying that Amsoil is tested to meet or exceed the performance
specifications
of Chrysler ATF +4 is in the realm of possibility. I do believe that it is
highly
improbable however, because Amsoil claims their transmission fluid also
substitutes for Dexron III, and Dexron III and Mopar ATF +4 have very
different frictional coefficients. A transmission fluid cannot have 1
frictional
coefficient in 1 transmission, and another frictional coefficient in
another. For
more information on this, please refer to the following link:

http://www.allpar.com/fix/trans.html

Granted, it's full of testimonials but Amsoil seems to like this, despite
the
fact that testimonials aren't worth a fig, but near the bottom of the page
is a somewhat dumbed-down explanation of why you cannot use Dexron
in a Chrysler tranny that calls for ATF +3 or ATF +4.

Of course it is possible for Amsoil to be made to match frictional
coefficients of ATF +4. In that case, however, it would be WRONG for
transmissions
that require Dexron III. That is why I say it's in the realm of
possibility. However,
I feel it is extremely improbable because the fluid additive for ATF +4 is
restricted (according to the article) however the fluid additive for Dexron
III
is not. (because many people make Dexron III) It is most probable that
Amsoil Transmission Fluid is just another Dexron III-compatible fluid.

However, the biggest problem isn't whether Amsoil has reverse-engineered
the ATF +4 additive and is making a compatible fluid. The biggest problem
is
that Amsoil dealers like you are claiming that Amsoil ATF is RATED for ATF
+4
and ATF +3.

Saying that Amsoil ATF is rated for ATF +4 implies that Chrysler has
certified
it for ATF +4, (as much as Chrysler will certify anything) and in the
absense of
that it implies that there's some kind of standards body that has applied a
rating
of ATF +4 on the fluid. This is pretty much fraud in my book. There is no
such
rating body for ATF +4 because ATF +4 fluid is custom-designed for Chrysler
who has signed an exclusivity deal with the sole supplier of the additive
system
designed for ATF +4, which prohibits that oil company from selling the ATF
+4
base.

Furthermore, ATF +3 and ATF +4 are both registered trademarks of Chrysler.
Amsoil doesen't even properly attribute this with a (R) on it's website, and
almost
certainly Amsoil hasn't sought approval from Chrysler for their fluids to be
marked ATF +3 or ATF +4. While you can get away with only an attribution on
sales literature, (since the courts have generally ruled that sales
literature is
considered a pack of lies) you cannot use someone's registered trademark on
a _PRODUCT_ without their permission. It makes me wonder what the actual
bottles of Amsoil ATF say. If they have the mark "ATF +3" or "ATF +4"
listed ANYWHERE on the bottle, even on the back in the fine print, Amsoil
must have permission from Chrysler for this, which quite obviously they do
not. And if ATF +3 or ATF +4 isn't on the bottle then legally the product
inside the bottle does not need to meet either ATF +3 or ATF +4 standards,
despite what lies may be on any accompanying sales literature.

Frankly, I think that there's some grounds for IMLA to boot Amsoil off it's
membership roles, it's amazing that someone hasn't complained yet. For
Amsoil to go to the general public and claim to be selling ATF +4 compatible
ATF, then privately though ILMA bitch to Chrysler that they can't buy
the additive system for ATF +4 is pretty two-faced.

Ted
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Ted

You bring up lots of questions that I can not answer. I can point you
in to someone who might be able to answer your questions.

Go here and fill out the form with your questions and let us all know
the reply
http://amsoil.com/techservices.htm

Here is a link to the AMSOIL ATF bottle
http://amsoil.com/products/prodpics/2003/atf_qt_600pxh.jpg
It does have a tradmark symbol on the ATF+4.

Here is a link to the product data sheet for the AMSOIL ATF
www.thebestsyntheticoil.com/pdf/g173.pdf

To clear something up from earlier threads. I am a dealer/distributor
of AMSOIL. I do not pay AMSOIL to link to my web site. I receive a
commision from any sales generated from my web site. I am a little
confused as why you would think that they would.

I will admit that I do not know everything about all the AMSOIL
products since I am a new dealer.

As I said before you bring up some interesting questions that I would
like to know the answers to. Maybe together we can find them.

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