"Dodge has high hopes for Caliber"

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Mike, Feb 17, 2006.

  1. Mike

    Mike Guest

    Mike, Feb 17, 2006
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  2. ....and low estimation of North American customers, who get a seriously
    decontented, de-specced, de-tuned version of the car compared to the
    Europe/rest-of-world version.
     
    Daniel J. Stern, Feb 18, 2006
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  3. Mike

    Matt Whiting Guest

    This to be one of the ugliest vehicles yet from Chrysler and one of the
    ugliest small cars this side of the Aztek.


    Matt
     
    Matt Whiting, Feb 18, 2006
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  4. Mike

    MoPar Man Guest

    Is it just me or does it look like a Chevy HHR ?
     
    MoPar Man, Feb 18, 2006
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  5. Mike

    Art Guest

    Bad enuf that they sacrificed a ton of cargo room in the Magnum with its
    roofline but to do the same in such a small car is nonsense.
     
    Art, Feb 18, 2006
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  6. Mike

    jdoe Guest

    Have you seen one in person? If not you owe it to yourself to do so. It IS
    one very sharp vehicle IMO. And I'll bet if it had a Toyota or Honda badge
    on it people would break their necks to get it.
    Larry
     
    jdoe, Feb 18, 2006
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  7. Mike

    Matt Whiting Guest

    It looks like an HHR hit with an ugly stick.

    Matt
     
    Matt Whiting, Feb 18, 2006
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  8. Mike

    Matt Whiting Guest

    Not yet. I doubt it. Last I knew, the Toyota Matrix wasn't selling
    well at all compared to the standard Toyota. I suspect that the sales
    of the Caliber will make the sales of the Neon look good. Sure, there
    will be an initial sales bubble being a new vehicle, but check back in
    a year and I'll bet it rivals the Aztek as a flop.


    Matt
     
    Matt Whiting, Feb 18, 2006
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  9. Mike

    Joe Guest

    From the rear it's a Mazda. It's even got that roof spoiler.
     
    Joe, Feb 18, 2006
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  10. Mike

    Art Guest

    I don't think it looks bad except for wasting rear cargo room with the
    roofline. Also, the AT shifter on the dash can be real convenient and a
    space saver but not the way they did it here. I have it on the Honda
    Odyssey and it is well positioned.
     
    Art, Feb 18, 2006
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  11. Mike

    b.clausen Guest

    Funny, i kinda think and HHR looks like a PT Cruiser, and the Caliber looks
    nothing like a PT. Saw the Caliber at the Chicago Auto show, I want one....
     
    b.clausen, Feb 19, 2006
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  12. Mike

    Joe Guest

    I find that interesting too. The idea of an entry level car is not useful to
    Dodge now. The reason is, I think, that little cars don't command enough
    money in the marketplace to make them profitable. At NAIAS, the caliber
    looked great for what it costs. I think you could say the same thing about
    the PT cruiser and the HHR. These SUV versions don't cost more to build, but
    they can sell them for more. They're still cheap, though.
     
    Joe, Feb 19, 2006
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  13. Mike

    Matt Whiting Guest

    Honda and Toyota seem to sell small cars at pretty high prices and make
    money on them. Certainly crappy small cars don't command a high price,
    but Corolla's seem to do pretty well.


    Matt
     
    Matt Whiting, Feb 19, 2006
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  14. Mike

    Dave Gower Guest

    It's generally accepted that car lines need an entry-level car to try to get
    young buyers to establish brand loyalty as they move up the price scale. Of
    course, if your entry-level car isn't very good, it doesn't work very well.
    That may have something to do with the market now. Remember the Chevette?

    Although I'm happy with my Focus (and plan to buy another when my present
    one starts getting creaky) I plan to check out the Caliber too.
     
    Dave Gower, Feb 19, 2006
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  15. Mike

    Art Guest

    I recently drove a friend's Focus. He was raving about it. He bought it
    used, several years old. One drive and I could understand why he raved
    about it. Hard to believe it was a Ford.
     
    Art, Feb 19, 2006
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  16. Mike

    Joe Guest

    Right - Dodge cannot do what Honda and Toyota do. Ford and GM have the same
    problem. They can sell cars, they just can't sell them at a profit. Whether
    they're crappy or not, the important thing is the perceived value.
    Entry-level American cars aren't status symbols for anybody.

    Good article in Time dated January 30th, I think, that said Ford overall is
    losing money on cars.
     
    Joe, Feb 19, 2006
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  17. Mike

    Joe Guest

    That's why I thought it was so interesting that they phased them out. It has
    kind of a death-spirally look to it, doesn't it?
     
    Joe, Feb 19, 2006
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  18. Mike

    Punch Guest

    huh? srt-4version is 300hp, and the r/t can be had with AWD...
     
    Punch, Feb 19, 2006
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  19. Mike

    MoPar Man Guest

    Speaking of health care costs, I never hear just how it works in
    Japan. Do they have private, or public health care?

    (and I think that more cars are made now in Ontario vs Michigan...)
     
    MoPar Man, Feb 20, 2006
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  20. Mike

    Matt Whiting Guest

    Perceived value tends to come from real value. The Japanese small cars
    are simply better than most American small cars and have been for some
    time. I disagree that Dodge can't do what Honda and Toyota do. They
    could if they really wanted to.

    Entry-level cars aren't status symbols for anybody. I don't know of
    anybody who buys a Civic or Corolla for status, they buy them because
    they want solid, dependable and economical transportation.

    Why is that a good article?

    Matt
     
    Matt Whiting, Feb 20, 2006
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