Dodge Caliber or Pontiac Aztek: Which is uglier?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by NowItsWhatever, Sep 21, 2006.

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    NowItsWhatever, Sep 21, 2006
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    CopperTop Guest

    I don't find the Caliber ugly, maybe I'm one of the few who actually likes
    it. But I have seen much more attractive cars. The Aztek certainly isn't
    one of them but thankfully they quit making it. As far as it's equally ugly
    sibling, the Avalanche; at least GM had the sense to stop putting all of
    that black plastic cladding all over it.

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    CopperTop, Sep 21, 2006
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    DeserTBoB Guest

    Probable thought of GM brass when they saw the first "Aztek" coming
    off the line: "Holy shit...this is worse than the '59 Cadillac! WHAT
    did we DO here???" Trying to "camouflage" the Aztek body with softer
    Buick parts with lots of Tiger Woods advertising didn't work, either.
    The Aztek/Rendezvous disaster cost GM plenty, and announced their out
    of control slide toward bankruptcy. For some strange reason, the
    Aztek, especially in black paint, has become a ghetto favorite on the
    used market, where they sell far over high Blue Book. Another reason
    why DC MUST "deghettoize" the 300!
     
    DeserTBoB, Sep 21, 2006
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    Art Guest

    I always thought the Aztek looked better in person than it did in pictures.
    I am not saying it looked good in person but it looked horrible in
    photographs. The Caliber seems to be very popular in Hawaii. Zillions of
    them there when I visited in July. Rentals?
     
    Art, Sep 22, 2006
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    DeserTBoB Guest

    When I saw my first Aztek, I thought, "Holy crap..they glued the shell
    of a Daewoo/Pontiac Le Mans they had left over to the bottom half of
    an Astro Van!" It was THAT bad. Dealers simply couldn't give them
    away. Its replacement, the "Vibe," like all GM models, is having a
    mediocre reception by buyers. In fact, I've actually seen more
    Calibers on the road in California than Vibes.
    Dunno...perhaps DC is test marketing them there in an attempt to crack
    the Japanese domestic market? Things that do well in Japan always do
    well in Hawaii and vice versa.
     
    DeserTBoB, Sep 22, 2006
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    CopperTop Guest

    Probably rentals. There are hundreds of bone stock, base model PT Cruiser
    rentals in Florida. I travel FL on biz and since I have a PT, my eye is
    always caught by one. And I'm pretty busy there checking them out on the
    road. Quite a few Calibers there now as well.

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    CopperTop, Sep 22, 2006
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    jdoe Guest

    The 59 Caddy was WAY cool! Don't call one of my favorite symbols of american
    overkill ugly. Many godfathers are turing in their graves hearing you say
    thay. "No such ting as a ugly Gadilllaca"
     
    jdoe, Sep 23, 2006
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    DeserTBoB Guest

    Chuttup, oah yaw gonna hava payuh o' GONNNNNNGRETE CHOOZ!
     
    DeserTBoB, Sep 23, 2006
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    who Guest

    IMO in some colors it looked better.
    Yes I'm sure rentals are a big factor, even here in Vancouver where I
    live. I still don't see many Calibers on the road or on dealers lots
    here and no one I know has one. All I do see are red, is that the only
    color it comes in? <:)
    The Chrysler dealer suddenly got a pile of 300s, Pacificas and trucks in
    late summer. I'm wondering if they will survive getting rid of them.
     
    who, Sep 23, 2006
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    DeserTBoB Guest

    It would seem that Chrysler Division is resorting to old ways that got
    them into trouble in the early '70s, like the "car bank," where
    Highland Park, which wasn't watching weekly sales figures, would keep
    churning out product that the dealers couldn't or wouldn't sell. As a
    result, thousands of new Chrysler products would wind up sitting in
    lots and fields all over Michigan and Illinois, waiting to be sold to
    dealers. This was called the "bank," and savvy dealers would
    deliberately keep their inventory too low, wait for the bank to build
    up to overflowing, and then get the cars at cost, since HQ would then
    try to blow them out late in the season just to get rid of them.

    This probably was the #1 cause of Chrysler Corporation's insolvency
    issues in the late '70s...very poor inventory and production control,
    and dealers who were gouging the company for cars at cost, or
    sometimes at a loss. Once Iacocca demanded that the "bank" be ended
    and production cut back through short layoffs, dealers had to pay
    wholesale again, and many marginal dealers who were getting along by
    screwing the corporation for cars at cost went out of business.

    The proof of this was easy to see in those days. Popular models at
    the time, like the new J-bodies, couldn't be found at franchised
    stores early in the model year, but were overflowing at the factory
    stores, which are far fewer in number. However, the franchisees would
    gladly take an "ordered car" with half cash up front. I don't know if
    DC (or anyone else) still has "factory stores," a setup where the
    dealer simply owns the physical dealership and shop and the
    corporation "floors" the car without the dealer buying it up front,
    but Chrysler depended on them back in the late '50s and in the '60s to
    move a lot of cars. When Chrysler started getting into trouble, it
    was interesting to see the differences in inventory between
    franchisees and factory lots. Ford also used a lot of factory
    retailer stores years ago, and that's where, in the '40s, Iacocca
    learned about how dealers who were paying the flooring costs on new
    product would "work the system."

    From what you say, it sounds like the "bank" is back, and reports on
    CNN and in the press also say that DC has been "banking" cars and
    trucks all over Michigan again...a very bad inventory control problem
    of which old timers at Chrysler should already be wary. One problem
    Daimler seems to be having is realizing that the US sales network is
    NOT like that in Germany.
     
    DeserTBoB, Sep 23, 2006
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  11. 3 posts with no replies- looks like you've been killfiled, DB

    (laughter...)
     
    duty-honor-country, Sep 24, 2006
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