do i have to fill gasolin in the fuelpump before i start the engine?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by J Hansen, Apr 8, 2007.

  1. J Hansen

    J Hansen Guest

    Hey, I have change´d the coul in my fuelpump,(becorse of easter/holyday all
    closedup) the one of them was finish´d
    I can´t find any thing about danger on www.
    I do trust the people that say that: if no oxygen there is no fire, BUT?
    when I put my fuelpump in the tank, there are oxygen! do I have to fill the
    pumphouse/canister up with gasolin to ensure that I don´t get the "big
    bang"? (Like the Boing 747 flight 800)
    I also want to know , were to bye a pump, not the hole house for it, its to
    expensive for me. I just want to bye the eletric pump.
    I found out , that I can bye one from China, and some are selling Walbro on
    ebay.
    What di you preffere/ surgest?
    hope this can be understand,
    sorry my english
    Thank You for any response
    Regards
    J Joergen
    Denmark
     
    J Hansen, Apr 8, 2007
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  2. J Hansen

    Bill Putney Guest

    Hi J.

    I used to work for a company that manufactured fuel pump parts for
    Delphi (GM) and Visteon/Ford. I asked their engineers the same question
    about air (oxygen) in the fuel pump. Some of them had not even thought
    about it before I asked.

    Whatever the explanation, I guess it is not a problem, because you would
    certainly be hearing about it on the news if cars were exploding
    whenever a fuel pump were replaced.

    I can't imagine being the first engineer to propose to management that
    "We ought to start building electric fuel pumps with the motor brushes
    and commutator actually in the fuel". I can't imagine a legal
    department ever taking that risk - no matter how many tests the
    engineers did to prove that it was impossible for it to explode.

    What year and model of vehicle are you asking about for buying just the
    pump without the housing? I assume by "housing", you mean the sending unit?

    I just read the shop manual for the LH cars (300M, Intrepid, Concorde,
    LHS) on replacing the fuel pump - it gives no precautions or procedures
    for ensuring it is filled with fuel before installing and powering up.
    Also, the parts listings do not indicate a listing for just the pump.

    Be careful buying Chinese aftermarket stuff, and off of ebay in general.

    Bill Putney
    (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
    address with the letter 'x')
     
    Bill Putney, Apr 9, 2007
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  3. J Hansen

    Bill Putney Guest

    Hah! No. The brushes and brush holders are exactly what I designed and
    that we manufactured for the fuel pumps. Believe me - they are brush
    motors. Brushless motors are too expensive for a normal automotive fuel
    pump.

    Bill Putney
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    address with the letter 'x')
     
    Bill Putney, Apr 9, 2007
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  4. They probably build these pumps with brushless motors.
     
    Robert Reynolds, Apr 9, 2007
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  5. Why don't they make sparks? Or is the motor in a sealed enclosure so it
    doesn't matter?
     
    Robert Reynolds, Apr 9, 2007
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  6. J Hansen

    Joe Guest

    Filling the tank with fuel makes it much safer. Fuel vapors displace so
    much air that it becomes unable to support combustion. I would recommend
    that you put some fuel in, but it does not have to be totally full to become
    safe.
     
    Joe, Apr 9, 2007
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  7. J Hansen

    Bill Putney Guest

    No - the brushes "live" in the fuel - are bathed in the fuel as it
    passes thru the pump.

    Bill Putney
    (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
    address with the letter 'x')
     
    Bill Putney, Apr 9, 2007
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