Daytime running lights waste gasoline

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Pete E. Kruzer, Aug 14, 2008.

  1. from "HowStuffWorks.com [by Anonymous Citizen on March 9, 2008]

    If daytime running lights were mandatory in the U.S. and all vehicles
    had them how much extra gasoline would that use each year?


    For several years now Canada has required all new cars sold to have
    daytime running lights. Any time the car is running the headlights are
    on, but the taillights and other lights are off. You have to turn on
    these other lights from the dashboard at night. Studies seem to
    indicate that having the headlights on during daylight hours reduces
    the number of multiple vehicle accidents (although there has been some
    controversy about people forgetting to turn on their other lights at
    night -- a mistake that causes extra accidents, and a good example of
    the "law of unintended consequences"!).
    The US has not adopted this law, but if it did they would definitely
    consume gasoline. Headlights require power, and a car's engine
    produces power using gasoline. If you make a few assumptions, it is
    possible to estimate how much gas the law would consume.

    A typical headlight bulb uses about 55 watts; sometimes the daytime
    running lights run at a lower wattage so they use a little less power.
    Let's say the daytime running lights use 100 watts since there are two
    bulbs.

    To calculate the energy used, we need to figure out how much time
    people will spend with their lights on. According the to NHTSA,
    vehicles in the US drove 2,560 billion miles in 1997. We need to make
    a guess at the average speed people drive including stops in order to
    figure out how much time people spent driving their cars. Let's guess
    30 mph, which means each mile takes two minutes. That makes 5,120
    billion minutes or 85.3 billion hours. Now if each car normally drives
    at night about half the time, that means that the daytime running
    lights would be on 42.6 billion hours a year. Multiplying by the 100
    watts we get 4,260 billion watt-hours or 4.26 billion kilowatt-hours.
    The U.S. uses about that much electricity nationwide in 12 hours.

    Now we need to figure out how much electrical energy we can get out of
    a gallon of gas. A gallon of gas contains about 60 kilowatt-hours of
    chemical energy, but this energy has to go through two conversion
    processes before we can use it in a light bulb. First the chemical
    energy must be turned into mechanical power by the engine of the car.
    Car engines don't do this very efficiently -- only about 25% of the
    chemical energy can be turned into mechanical power, and the rest is
    wasted as heat. After the engine gets done with our gallon of gas we
    have 15 kilowatt-hours left.

    Now the alternator on the car has to turn the mechanical power from
    the engine into electrical power. The alternator does this a lot
    better than the engine, but it is still only about 70% efficient. In
    the end we get about 10.5 kilowatt-hours of electrical energy out of a
    gallon of gas.

    To calculate how many gallons of gas this is, you can divide the 4.26
    billion kilowatt hours of energy that the daytime running lights
    consume each year by the 10.5 kilowatt-hours of energy each gallon of
    gas yields. If daytime running lights were on all the vehicles in the
    U.S., we would burn an extra 406 million gallons of gas each year.
    That's only a couple gallons for each vehicle, but in total it is more
    than all of the vehicles in the country burn in a day. At $1.50 a
    gallon, that's $600 million per year. Looking at it another way, an
    extra 8 billion pounds of Carbon Dioxide would be added to the
    atmosphere by this law.

    It's an interesting question because it shows how a simple idea like,
    "let's have everyone turn on their headlights all the time" can have a
    real cost when you try to implement it! Whether the benefit is worth
    the cost is an important question in almost any public policy
    decision.

    ****************************************************

    Now I know some of you will question the date on the article and the
    cost of a gallon of gasoline. I did too, but I have no explanation.
    I'd love to know where Anonymous Citizen is buying gasoline at a $1.50
    per. The rest of the article has some credibility.
     
    Pete E. Kruzer, Aug 14, 2008
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    I bought the DRL module for our US-market 300M and installed it myself.
    This vehicle has an "automatic" headlight setting too, so all the lights
    switch on when it gets dark enough outside (and when the wipers are on).

    The overall cost of DRLs is minuscule compared to the total cost of
    running the vehicle.

    And remember that the accidents that might have been prevented by DRLs
    have a cost too, a cost that may be reflected in our insurance premiums.

    Perce
     
    Percival P. Cassidy, Aug 14, 2008
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  3. Pete E. Kruzer

    who Guest

    Interesting article, but that gas price is very suspect. <:)
     
    who, Aug 14, 2008
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  4. Pete E. Kruzer

    Josh S Guest

    I Canada the 300M has the DRL function from the factory.
    Canadian cars have had DRLs for many years. I find it very helpful even
    in the summer on the highway when a car stands out and it's direction is
    obvious.
     
    Josh S, Aug 14, 2008
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  5. DRL operate in several European countries. In one or two the DRLs are
    needed only outside towns.

    FWIW.

    DAS

    To send an e-mail directly replace "spam" with "schmetterling"
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    Dori A Schmetterling, Aug 25, 2008
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  6. Pete E. Kruzer

    C-BODY Guest

    The theory is interesting. The stated price of fuel tends to date the
    original article. Unfortunately, for the sake of argument, I suspect
    the stated amount of energy which each gallon of gasoline (what about
    diesel?) holds might vary with respect to the particular blending of
    fuel chemistries and elements thereof.

    A good many years ago, when halogen headlights were starting to become
    standard equipment, on the back of one brand's box it touted a benefit
    of "additional fuel economy" as a selling point/benefit of using halogen
    headlights over then-conventional headlights. Greater light efficiency
    with less power input meant the engine had less load from the alternator
    to make the headlights work. Another valid theory.

    So, if halogen headlights are more energy efficient and allow headlight
    manufacturers to state such, then having them run every minute the car
    is operating, the whole thing might be "a wash".

    IF energy consumption of DRLs was really significant, you could have
    expected the environmentalists to have howled when GM made DRLs (and
    automatic headlights) standard over a decade ago (in the USA market).
    Consumers would be complaining about higher fuel bills, too, I suspect.

    In earlier times, some Chrysler products with CA emissions stated to
    have the low beams turned on when you set the base idle speed of the
    motor. In these situations, the additional load of the headlights (back
    then) might change the idle speed slightly, which would then need to be
    compensated for in the idle speed screw adjustment. Usually, this was
    on Slant 6s rather than the V-8s. I suspect that as soon as the motors
    came "off idle", the issue of alternator loading went away as the carb's
    main system metering calibrations took over.

    This could well be another situation where, individually, the energy
    consumption might be measureable in the lab and insignificant in the
    real world, but when collectively considered, becomes significant. Just
    like changing an air filter or keeping the tires fully inflated "to
    specs" can have similar or more significant effects on a vehicle's mpg.

    Regards,

    C-BODY
     
    C-BODY, Aug 26, 2008
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  7. Pete E. Kruzer

    Steve Guest


    Most environmentalists don't know how to decide whether to howl or not.
    They need an Al Gore to tell them what to howl about.

    Its simple to calculate how much energy DRLs take. About 50 watts of
    electrical power, or roughly 1/16th of a horsepower. Not particularly
    insignificant, since a modern aerodynamic car only needs a few
    horsepower total to cruise at highway speed. Multiply by the millions of
    cars on the road....
     
    Steve, Aug 26, 2008
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  8. But, as I wrote upthread:
    .... remember that the accidents that might have been prevented by DRLs
    have a cost too, a cost that may be reflected in our insurance premiums.

    And not just our auto insurance premiums, but our health insurance
    premiums too. And the taxes that go to law enforcement to investigate
    those accidents* and to fire/ambulance/rescue services to rescue people
    from those accidents.

    *I still don't understand why the police are supposed to be called to
    every little fender bender that involves only a few thousand dollars of
    property damage and no bodily injuries.

    Perce
     
    Percival P. Cassidy, Aug 26, 2008
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  9. Pete E. Kruzer

    Steve Guest


    Call me a skeptic, but I don't think they do ANYTHING to prevent
    accidents. Sure, when they were new and conspicuous, they might have.
    Now, half the cars on the road have them and they don't draw any
    attention at all. If you need lights to be seen, its time to turn on the
    headlamps. No reason to burn energy needlessly on a bright clear sunny day.
     
    Steve, Aug 26, 2008
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  10. Pete E. Kruzer

    Some O Guest

    We've had them for almost 20 yrs in CDA and believe me they help.
    On the highway you can tell from a distance that a car is moving, even
    on a bright sunny day, particularly if you are going towards the sun.
    Also much better than the full head lights when conditions are bad, such
    as in a rain storm, or none because people forget to turn them on.

    I would like to see a change or ban on those too white, too bright,
    blinding discharge headlights.
     
    Some O, Aug 30, 2008
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  11. Pete E. Kruzer

    Steve Guest

    Some O wrote:

    I'd rather see a ban on high-beam DRLs. While I think they're silly and
    wasteful, I have no real problem with DRLs that use the turn signals or
    a dedicated set of lamps (GMC trucks from recent years for example). But
    DRLs that run the high beams at a reduced output are more offensive
    than a whole array of HID headlamps. The whole point of not using
    high-beams in traffic is that they direct an image of the filament RIGHT
    INTO ONCOMING DRIVERS' EYES! That is just as true and irritating if the
    filmanent is at 75% intensity as it is whtn the filament is at full
    intensity. A turn signal, low beam, or dedicated light gives a
    completely different type of signal image at the oncoming drivers' eyes.
    Its recognizable, but not blinding.

    For that matter, HID lamps have gotten so much better in the past 5
    years, both in color rendering (they're not blue anymore) and beam
    control, that I'll bet you don't even notice about 2/3 of the ones you
    see as being any different.
     
    Steve, Sep 1, 2008
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  12. Pete E. Kruzer

    C-BODY Guest

    When GM first made DRLs standard, they had an accessory kit to put them
    on recent production year vehicles. They put out a poster of how much
    difference seeing a vehicle's placement with and without DRLs made. The
    location for the picture appeared to be on a bridge in the Florida Keys
    on a partly cloudy day. The difference was significant.

    Later, I went to a swap meet in southern OK. On a long stretch of road
    on a sunny day, I could see a GM car (with DRLs) for well over a mile
    before we met on the two lane road. Otherwise, the car blended into the
    background--especially depending on the color or the car! DRLs are the
    equalizing factor that makes all colors of vehicles significantly
    visible in the day time. Until I started noticing that, I had the
    "WHY?" orientation too.

    An observed issue with the "lights" is that many of them seem to be
    installed incorrectly OR in a vehicle not designed for them. OR aimed
    correctly! I'm getting used to the blue-tint bulbs, but do dislike some
    of their beam patterns.

    On a normal vehicle, they aren't too bad, but on a lowered vehicle that
    hits the bump stops each time an imperfection on the road is
    encountered, causing the vehicle to bounce on the tires, those lights'
    beams THEN do bad things to oncoming traffic as the allegedly properly
    aimed headlight tilts upward and puts you squarely in the higher
    intensity part of the beam pattern for a split second, looking like
    bright flash that you then try to see where it's coming from. Looking
    for the source of that flash can cause an accident itself!

    As for police investigation of minor accidents, if I was in a minor
    accident, I'd at least want some documentation to take to my insurance
    company to file a claim rather than a piece of paper with a name and
    address scribbled on it of the person who damaged my vehicle. In some
    cases, the police officer will just coordinate the exchange of
    information, plus serve as a witness that something did happen, and not
    write a ticket unless some significant indiscretion caused the accident.
    I consider this to be a valid use of municipal resources. Not quite as
    time consuming as directing traffic or serving as back-up on a traffic
    violation, but still desireable to happen.

    Regards,

    C-BODY
     
    C-BODY, Sep 7, 2008
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  13. Pete E. Kruzer

    C-BODY Guest

    The reason that high beams were used for DRLs was because those bulbs
    see less use than the low beams (which are the primary headlight). In
    the "next redesign" of most of the vehicles which used the low-intensity
    high beams for the DRLs, the DRLs either were moved to the turn signals
    or a separate bulb was incorporated into the headlight module (taking a
    common turn signal bulb rather than an expensive headlight bulb).

    C-BODY
     
    C-BODY, Sep 7, 2008
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  14. On 09/07/08 01:41 am wrote:

    In another country in which I lived for many years, everything seemed to
    work quite smoothly with a law requiring the police to be *notified*
    within 24 hours of an accident involving personal injury or property
    damage in excess of $1000 (that was 20 years ago, so imagine what that
    limit would be now if it were indexed for inflation). No requirement to
    *call* police at all. Far lower insurance rates than in the US despite
    high labor costs; most insurance companies worked on the "We'll pay to
    fix ours, you pay to fix yours; why make the lawyers rich?" principle.

    Perce
     
    Percival P. Cassidy, Sep 7, 2008
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  15. Pete E. Kruzer

    C-BODY Guest

    Would that be the "no fault" insurance orientation?

    C-BODY
     
    C-BODY, Sep 20, 2008
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