Crash Course

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Dur, Jan 17, 2010.

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    Dur Guest

    "CRASH COURSE - The American Automobile Industry's Road from Glory to
    Disaster" by Paul Ingrassia (Amazon.com: http://xrl.us/CCourse )

    Paul Ingrassia of the Wall Street Journal, who covered the American
    auto industry for a quarter-century and probably knows it as well as
    any journalist, begins this account of its spectacular collapse by
    describing something called the "Jobs Bank." No, I'd never heard of it
    either. It was established by the manufacturers and the United Auto
    Workers in the 1980s "to provide temporary security for hourly workers
    on layoff," but "by the 1990s laid-off workers could remain 'bankers,'
    as they were nicknamed with knowing irony, for an unlimited time,
    making 95 percent of their wages while not working." This in turn led
    to "inverse layoffs," wherein "senior workers volunteered to be laid
    off and thus bumped junior workers back onto the assembly line."

    Ingrassia asks: "After all, why should a worker with high seniority
    slave away building cars when workers with lower seniority collected
    virtually full pay just for sitting around? Such was the logic of
    Detroit's dysfunction." Indeed, "dysfunction" barely begins to cover
    it. "Self-destructiveness" or "insanity" would come a lot closer...

    Continued: http://xrl.us/CrashC

    Excerpt: http://xrl.us/CCexcerpt
     
    Dur, Jan 17, 2010
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    Mike Hunter Guest

    I find that article to be somewhat disingenuous. For one, the Bank workers
    did not just "sit around," and it was not something for nothing!

    When the job bank was set up BY MANAGEMENT, under the contract to which it
    had agreed, EVERY UAW member began paying sixty-five cents an hour into that
    fund. The company matched the amount, quarterly. It was paid by both
    sides, for all QUALIFIED WORK hours. That means even on ones vacation pay.
    The "Bank" workers were required to report for ALL of the work hours
    scheduled, or they would lose ALL of their Bank work hours wages.

    IE GM laid off 100 workers and say thirty of those would became Bank
    workers, who had to report to work for say two weeks. Those that were laid
    off were paid under the contracts previous "Supplemental Unemployment Plan."
    The "Supplemental Unemployment Plan," was financed by BOTH Management and
    the UNION workers as well. "Supplemental Unemployment Plan." paid an amount
    ABOVE their states Unemployment plan to equal 70% of their BASE pay rate.

    Bank workers were NOT eligible for payment under the "Supplemental
    Unemployment Plan" rules. During a shift the Bank workers were used to
    replace line workers during those times when scheduled workers were not
    available for what ever reason, eating, in the head, sick, bad weather etc.


    The problem was Management and the Union never expected to have hundreds of
    thousands of their workers laid off. The Union gave up the Bank during new
    Contract talks when it became obvious there were no long enough works paying
    into the fund to support it.

    Those harping about the UAW seem to forget Manufactures in Japan were
    required by the Japanese government to pay their worker, from the end of
    WWII up until around 1998 whether they worked or not, under their guaranteed
    annul wage law.

    Seems to me the US Congress should look to the UAW Union as a guide, now
    that there are no longer enough workers working and paying FICA to support
    the scheduled Social Security benefits promised to those soon to be retiring
    baby boomers, that are going to bankrupt SS in a few short years.

    As to the writers comment that the Jap made small cars and the domestics
    turned to making "gas guzzling trucks and SUVS," what color is the sky in
    his world? Every Jap manufacturer grew it market over the past fifteen
    years by offering trucks, SUVs, ever LARGER cars, they still do today, and
    they offering BIG Luxury cars as well.

    The fact is EVERY manufacture foreign and domestic was responding to the
    market, even Honda makes a pseudo "truck," out of the Accord, to get some of
    the truck market. One thing for sure is he "probably knows (the auto
    business) as well as any journalist but they don't know very much.
     
    Mike Hunter, Jan 17, 2010
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    Canuck57 Guest

    Or just export the whole costly corrupt mess and import cars like TVs.
    Saves corrupting the system at taxpayers expense.

    BTW, what you say is true of the Japanese worker, but for their benefits
    they are expected to put the company, not the union or whining ahead of
    everything else. If a fellow worker sees you screwing the company, they
    take it personal like and take care of it without much fuss. They are
    "soldiers" for who they work for. And if pork management lets them
    down, suicide and quiting are their expected options. Quit a bit
    different culture, honor and integrity rank very high be in cleaning the
    toilets or running the board room.

    Abet not the only one, but UAW is a major obsticle for any US
    manufacturer to overcome, certainly a big handycap. Does not mater how
    you cut it.
     
    Canuck57, Jan 17, 2010
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    Mike Hunter Guest

    For once you are correct about something. The Japanese are much smarter
    than Americans, they buy from their own manufactures to support their own
    economy. Americans are greedy, they will buy from anywhere if they can save
    a dollar, regardless of what happens to their own economy and the jobs of
    their children and grand children.
     
    Mike Hunter, Jan 17, 2010
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    Canuck57 Guest

    I think it is far more simple than that.

    No one wants over priced North American crap autos.

    I have driven a Cavalier in Europe, and a Cavalier here. GM NA UAW/CAW
    make over priced crap.
     
    Canuck57, Jan 17, 2010
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    dr_jeff Guest

    They also buy from US companies in the US.

    Americans are very smart, too. Who invented the automobile? OK, it was
    the Germans. But we have made many improvements to the automobile,
    invented the PC, iPhone, and made major medical advances.
    That's true. That's also true of other peoples.
     
    dr_jeff, Jan 18, 2010
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    dr_jeff Guest

    Mike Hunter wrote:
    Actually, that is not forecast to happen until 2040. You will be long
    dead by then. So no worries for you.

    Jeff
     
    dr_jeff, Jan 18, 2010
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    C. E. White Guest

    Or was it the Russians, Swiss, or French? I think it depends on what
    you call an automobile...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile agrees with you sort of ("Karl
    Benz generally is acknowledged as the inventor of the modern
    automobile).

    Ed
     
    C. E. White, Jan 18, 2010
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    Mike Hunter Guest

    Really? Industry figures show the average drive home price for an import
    is 20% to 30% HIGHER than the average drive home price of a similar size
    Domestic, with the same equipment even though the comparable import costs
    less to produce


    /
     
    Mike Hunter, Jan 18, 2010
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    Mike Hunter Guest

    Perhaps, but as I pointed out, dr_jeff, NOT for the Japanese who tend to
    support their own manufacturers
     
    Mike Hunter, Jan 18, 2010
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    dr_jeff Guest

    Evidence, please.
     
    dr_jeff, Jan 18, 2010
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    Mike Hunter Guest

    Are you dr_jeff, you willing to pay the subscription price to access the
    site that has the information you seek?
     
    Mike Hunter, Jan 18, 2010
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    dr_jeff Guest

    In other words, you can't back your claims.

    I get it.

    Jeff
     
    dr_jeff, Jan 18, 2010
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    clare Guest

    Does it?
    Really? Made in Japan costs more than made in Detroit, Snyrna, or
    Kansas City.
     
    clare, Jan 18, 2010
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    clare Guest

    Corollas are built in Cambridge Ontario, and Civics in Aliston Ontario
    because it costs less than building them in Japan.
     
    clare, Jan 18, 2010
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  16. Dr. Jeff isn't willing to do anything that might burst his little
    bubble.
     
    Ashton Crusher, Jan 19, 2010
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    Mike Hunter Guest

    No you don't dummy, if directed you to the site you could not Log on. You
    must be willing to pay the subscription price to enter.
     
    Mike Hunter, Jan 19, 2010
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    Mike Hunter Guest

    What part of "comparable import costs
    less to produce," than domestics did you not understand?
     
    Mike Hunter, Jan 19, 2010
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