Cooperation not Competition is the Answer

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Nomen Nescio, Nov 6, 2003.

  1. Nomen Nescio

    Nomen Nescio Guest

    The American auto industry is cutting each others' throats. Its a G*d
    D****d war out there, if you know what I mean. Just look at Chrysler. More
    than a billion dollars in the red this year. That's totally unnecessary
    because there's more than enough profit to be shared by the Big Three if
    they will just cozy up to one another like Beavis and Butthead.

    Ford is next to crap out. They just spent 6,000,000,0000.00 smackers to
    reinvent the Terraplane.

    GM has lost the market share that Olds once occupied. Pity Oldsmobile, gone
    forever.

    The answer is utopian cooperation and working together in harmony like a
    happy, loving family. Let me tell you how it should be:

    GM is famous for Fisher Bodies. Let them make all the chassis' and car
    bodies for the whole country. Ford makes the best mechanicals, so let them
    do all the engines, trannys, and rear ends. Also Rochester can do all the
    EFIs, Delco all the batteries, GE all the alternators, Midas all the
    mufflers, Firecracker Tire and Rubber all the tires, and so forth and so on
    for all the auxilliaries. Chrysler will take all the honors and run the
    production lines for final assembly. Every car in America will plonk out
    Chrysler's back door!!

    None of this annual model changing anymore. No need to. We all know what
    the ideal car should look like. Each car has its best shape: sedans,
    station wagons, SUVs, trucks with the only differences might be in size
    like 4 passenger sedans, 6 passenger sedans, etc. The shapes are a given
    just like all jetliners look pretty much the same; you just can't start
    putting "body cladding" on a 757 to snazz it up for next year's promotion.
    So, for the same reason you can't do it with cars. You just screw them up
    if you try.

    Each dealership will sell the same products for the same prices. A given
    model is good for at least 15 years. This will assure bug free cars, parts
    and service everywhere and for all time. How wonderful! This idea is
    genius if I may take full credit for it! Some of the money saved by the
    economics of cooperation and loving friendship can be used to install the
    redundant systems I have been suggesting and you have been rejecting
    because you don't care if your mother-in-law breaks down alone in the riot
    zone at 1:00AM.
     
    Nomen Nescio, Nov 6, 2003
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    Bill Putney Guest

    You've pretty much outlined how the former Soviet Union would go about
    "designing" products. Only problem is, it doesn't work.

    While the dog-eat-dog world of free-market competition has its downsides
    (some of which are admittedly loathesome), in balance, the negative
    traits of human nature that manifest themselves in the former Soviet
    Union's culture have proven to be far more damaging to the human
    conition than the negative traits of human nature that dominate in the
    free market. Competition and the resulting diversity in product
    offerings in existing products and technology absolutely die in the
    communist market, not to mention the unpredictable breakthroughs driven
    by competition and the profit motive that naturally occur in a free
    market.

    Bill Putney
    (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
    address with "x")
     
    Bill Putney, Nov 7, 2003
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  3. I agree with Bill. Another problem is, where is the incentive for
    improvement? Yes, it is an outline of the Automotive Industry STILL
    going on in the Soviet Union.
     
    Richard Benner Jr, Nov 7, 2003
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    Steve Guest

    Bill Putney wrote:

    Well, one of his sock-puppets was named "Ilya," after all :)
     
    Steve, Nov 7, 2003
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  5. [SNIP]

    | That's totally unnecessary
    | because there's more than enough profit to be
    | shared by the Big Three if they will just cozy up
    | to one another like Beavis and Butthead.

    Uhm, that little type of "cozy" arrangement you suggest was made illegal
    decades ago when the result of competitors "cozying up" resulted in some
    very serious PRICE FIXING situations. Consumers paid double and triple what
    a product was worth because these "cozy" arrangements and agreements created
    a VERY BAD environment from a consumer perspective. I suggest you study
    your history before you make an even bigger idiot out of yourself!

    By the way, Chrysler is owned by Daimler...a GERMAN company. The "Big
    Three" is now the "Big Two" (GM and FORD)! Even recent history events seems
    to escape you...apparently!
     
    James C. Reeves, Nov 8, 2003
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  6. Wasn't the DC thing supposed to be a merger, not a buy-out?
     
    Phillip Schmid, Nov 8, 2003
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  7. |
    | | >
    | >
    | > By the way, Chrysler is owned by Daimler...a GERMAN company. The "Big
    | > Three" is now the "Big Two" (GM and FORD)! Even recent history events
    | seems
    | > to escape you...apparently!
    | >
    | >
    |
    | Wasn't the DC thing supposed to be a merger, not a buy-out?
    |
    |

    Sure it is. Who is running things? Daimler put up the money to "merge"
    with Chrysler, not the other way around. Daimler brought in their
    management teams. The corporate HQ is in Germany with a US HQ here (but the
    corporate one is in Germany).
     
    James C. Reeves, Nov 9, 2003
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