Conversion To Propane

Years ago there were some cars being converted to propane. Anyone ever
make the conversion? Was it worth it?

 

You're right. I don't see many propane powered vehicles anymore. Seems
like natural gas became more popular. Propane drops when set free, as
opposed to natural gas which will dissipate more easily. CNG may be
safer in that regard.

However, I visited Zion Nat'l Park earlier this summer, and the shuttle
buses are propane powered if I remember correctly.

-Kirk Matheson

 

Years ago there were some cars being converted to propane. Anyone ever

Loads of them in Europe, mostly UK and Netherlands. Propane+butane mix is
about 2x cheaper than regular gas, mostly due to tax difference. As a result
I can enjoy my 5.9L Durango absolutely guilt-free

CNG is not as popular due to storage problems.

Peter

 

So not paying your fair share of road tax while driving a MONSTER makes
you guilt free!
Very strange outlook on society.

 

Propane+butane mix is

Geez, the tax is lower on propane because it's environmentaly friendly and
reduces dependence on oil imports! It's not like I'm evading road tax or
something!

Peter

 

Ahh - a true socialist. A tax is enacted, and you're supposed to feel
guilty for legally doing what isn't taxed? Who is Peter to question the
wisdom of those who apparently feel it is their duty to incentive and
disincentive certain behaviors - so they incentive doing one thing - he
does it, and he's supposed to feel guilty? So it's not use of gasoline
that bothers the modern liberal - it's the use of a large vehicle. Hey
if it bothers you so much, then lobby to get propane and butane taxed at
the same rates as gasoline - and good luck convincing your liberal
buddies. Get a life.

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')

 

Interesting. Calling the person "names" as though socialist or liberal
are synonyms for the devil. Generally "evil" and the "devil" come from
the conservative and religious right? You need a god around to have an
evil. In any case, oil is a problem, maybe a cause for the iraq war,
since no weapons of mass found. I'm not sure about propane. That burns
cleaner than oil. Not sure about bigger vehicles. When I see short,
young women, alone, driving these huge, empty suv's talking on cell
phones, making turns, distracted, i'm not happy, unless i were driving
a tank

 

A lot of folks can't understand

how we came to have

an oil shortage here in our country.

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Well, there's a very simple answer.

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Nobody bothered to check the oil.

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We just didn't know we were getting low.

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The reason for that is purely geographical.

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Our OIL is located in

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ALASKA

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California

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Coastal Florida

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Coastal Louisiana

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Kansas

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Oklahoma

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Pennsylvania

and

Texas

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Our

DIPSTICKS

are located in

Washington DC

Any Questions?

 

So as soon as this propane-butane mix becomes popular, the gubbermint
will increase the tax on it.

Perce

 

Of course. This is very likely to happen already with LNG in the UK in the
near future. The Chancellor of the Exchequer (finance minister) has already
indicated that the especially favourable tax regime will end.

Even though it is not that popular yet.

DAS

For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
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WOW! Talk about your extrapolations! The name of your post should be
"Incoherency".

I see - so let's get rid of God and there will be no more evil. Ummm -
yeah!

Oh my - you use those terms as if they were synonyms for the devil.
Makes about as much sense as what you posted. And how dare those women
be short!!

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')

 

"Let me tell you how it will be
There's one for you, nin'teen for me

Cause I'm the tax man
Yea I'm the tax man

"Should five percent appear too small
Be thankful I don't take it all

Cause I'm the tax man
Yea I'm the tax man

"If you drive a car I'll tax the street
If you try to sit I'll tax your seat
If you get too cold I'll tax the heat
If you take a walk I'll tax your feet
Tax man

Well I'm the tax man
Yea I'm the tax man

"Don't ask me what I want it for
If you don't want to pay some more

Cause I'm the tax man
Yea I'm the tax man

"Now my advice for those who die (tax man)
Declare the pennies on your eyes (tax man)

Cause I'm the tax man
Yea I'm the tax man

"And you're working for no one but me

(The Beatles)

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')

 

As an aside, in the seventies in the UK the marginal rates of tax on
"unearned" income (i.e. income derived from savings) reached 83%!

So, that's almost the 95% of the Beatles.

Fortunately that's long gone.

DAS

For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
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Peter,

Did you make the transaformation yourself? How did you do it? Is there
a site for that kind of thing?

Mike

 

Did you make the transaformation yourself? How did you do it? Is there

I had a professional installer to do the conversion (two, in fact... both my
trucks run on propane). This is booming business in Europe now, there are
tons of suppliers of LPG stuff and DIY kits. Check out uk.rec.cars.fuel.lpg
newsgroup, and googling for 'lpg'/'lpg kits diy' will give you more results
than you can process...

A quick primer: there are open loop, closed loop and SGI systems. Open loop
is basically equivalent to good ol' carb, closed loop is equivalent of carb
+ lambda sensor and computer (although it works much better than carb +
lambda systems ever did), and SGI (sequential gas injection) is multi-point
injection. SGI is best, of course, but expensive.

Peter

 

How long will it take to break even?

And when the chancellor (UK) reduces/eliminates the tax advantage? Then
what?

DAS

For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
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How long will it take to break even?

Not all countries are as unlucky as UK. Worst case alternative is to tap
into propane supplies used for heating...

For me the break-even point was after about 10,000 kms (6000miles). I've
recovered the cost of LPG system three times over.

Peter