Consumer Reports Strikes again, Dodge GC

Well, Consumer Reports' List of unreliable vehicles: (sure glad we bought a
Dodge GC AWD)
Anyone else concerned?

CR Bad Bets

Be especially careful when considering these models. They have shown several
years of much-worse-than-average overall reliability in their 1997 to 2004
models. They are listed alphabetically.

Audi A6
BMW 7 Series
Chevrolet Astro
Chevrolet Blazer
Chevrolet Express1500
Chevrolet S-10 (4WD)
Chevrolet TrailBlazer
Chrysler Town & Country (AWD)
Dodge Dakota (4WD)
Dodge Grand Caravan (AWD)
Ford Windstar
GMC Envoy
GMC Jimmy
GMC Safari
GMC Savana 1500
GMC Sonoma (4WD)
Jaguar S-Type
Jaguar X-Type

Jeep Grand Cherokee
Land Rover Discovery
Lincoln Navigator
Mercedes-Benz C-Class (V6)
Mercedes-Benz CLK
Mercedes-Benz M-Class
Mercedes-Benz S-Class
Oldsmobile Bravada
Oldsmobile Cutlass
Plymouth Neon
Pontiac Aztek
Saturn Vue
Volkswagen Golf
Volkswagen Jetta
Volkswagen
New Beetle
Volvo S80

 

Cars have improved reliability wise dramatically during the last decade.
Domestics are better than Japanese imports were when Japanese imports were
considered super reliable. Of course Toyota and Honda continue to increase
reliability so they are still on top. Most people consider their cars
pretty reliable these days except for some screw up designs including
expensive models from BMW and Mercedes. THere are lots of reasons to buy a
particular car.... reliability is only one factor to consider.

 

No, CR doesn't use scientific methods.

Although notice how many European cars there are, even ones of prestige.
People don't believe me when I tell them European cars are built as bad, if
not worse than NA cars, plus parts and prices are much higher. Although that
isn't really that good now that Chrysler is owned by Daimler.

Also they list the Plymouth Neon... not the Dodge Neon... Last I checked
Dodges sold more, so there'd be more Dodge data.

Pontiac Aztek but not Buick Aztek ^H Rendezvous.

Lincoln Navigator but not Ford Expedition

Yet they do repeat some vehicles, like GC and T&C, and they some GM trucks:
Jimmy/Blazer, Safari/Astro, etc.

How old is this list?

 

There is a good reason why some "twins" may not both be listed. The twins
may not share a particular troublesome component so one might be reliable
and the other a lemon.

 

Our FWD GC hasn't performed much better.

 

On what planet?

 

CR Bad Bets

Be especially careful when considering these models. They have shown
several years of much-worse-than-average overall reliability in their
1997 to 2004 models. They are listed alphabetically.

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      Oldsmobile Cutlass

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Wow! Telling someone to avoid a model that was last made in 1999
doesn't take a hell of a lot of b@!!$.

 

Toss the Consumer Reports garbage. They don't know jack!

Larry
Behold Beware Believe

| Well, Consumer Reports' List of unreliable vehicles: (sure glad we bought
a
| Dodge GC AWD)
| Anyone else concerned?
|
| CR Bad Bets
| <<snip>>

 

What is the difference between a Plymouth and Dodge Neon? Is the badging on
the trunk causing the Plymouths to be unreliable?

 

Are they made on the same assembly line? Same plant? Same parts and
suppliers?

 

Yes, yes and yes.

 

Apparently planet Earth where people keep on buying Camry's despite how ugly
they are because they keep going with no fuss. My father just sold his 1987
Camry. He had 4 potential buyers for it without advertising.

 

If you actually read Consumer Reports you could have looked at their
reliability charts and found that not only do they have identical records,
there is only one chart for both cars. You obviously don't know what you
are talking about.

 

Don't feed the troll.

 

Nothing like taking stuff out of context. It is a recommendation of used
cars and it includes a list of unreliable models from 1997 thru 2004 model
years. You make it look like a misprint. It is not. Your BS is just out
of context.




CR Bad Bets

Be especially careful when considering these models. They have shown
several years of much-worse-than-average overall reliability in their
1997 to 2004 models. They are listed alphabetically.

<SNIPPED FOR BREVITY>

Oldsmobile Cutlass

____Reply Separator_____

Wow! Telling someone to avoid a model that was last made in 1999
doesn't take a hell of a lot of b@!!$.

 

Then it should be listed as Dodge/Plymouth Neon, but it isn't.

Why isn't Astro and Safari listed as one? Or Blazer/ Jimmy? Those are
identical vehicles. If CR chooses to group some identical twins together,
but not others, that shows sub-par journalism.

Or

 

It's trolling simply because my opinion doesn't match up with your opinion?

 

The fact that "people keep buying them" means little. People keep buying
Ford Tauruses only *slightly* less often than Camrys (it and the Camry
traded best-selling car for years running).

Lots of people have been religiously buying into the Japanese quality
myth for 30 years without EVER trying an American or European car. And
I've personally had people INSIST that his Honda product was better than
my Chrysler product, despite the fact that his had to go back to the
dealer 7 times and mine never went once.

 

Or most infamously, Prizm/Corolla.

 

ford was able to keep it sales numbers up for a while by dumping Taurus's on
rental car agencies. Your buddy's Honda may have been a rare lemon.
Chrysler has had a few of those too. Also Honda and Toyota dealers are
notoriously bad. If you have one of those rare new Honda's or Toyota's with
a problem, good luck getting it fixed. But most people find their Toyota
and Honda extremely reliable compared to their last domestic make. Chrysler
contributes to that by putting out cars like the Neon, and 4 speed
transmissions with sensors that go bad, and AT dipsticks that say Dextron is
ok.