Compression drops 40-PSI after 500 miles - normal? [Mitsubishi/Dodge Eclipse-Talon `94, 1.8 lt.]

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Tibur Waltson, Mar 7, 2004.

  1. I had the head professional done to the point of sparkling clean.
    I apply 20w-50 synthetic oils to the cylinder walls and install the
    head, torque in three steps to 72 lb using genuine gasket. I
    check the compression and they read 190, 190, 190, 200-psi.
    It runs great. After 500 miles, I retorque the head bolts
    precisely to 72 lb.

    I remove the 500-miles old spark plugs and found so much
    carbon deposits but white on the ground electrodes. I check
    the compression and they read 150, 150, 150, 160-psi.
    It still runs great. Does anyone have suggestions why I
    could've lost 40-psi? Are something here you would've
    done differently?

    Thanks
     
    Tibur Waltson, Mar 7, 2004
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  2. Tibur Waltson

    Dodgem440 Guest

    When you checked the compression the oil would still be on the pistons
    and rings giving a falsely high compression reading! Any oil laying atop
    the pistons reduces combustion chamber volume and would also bump up
    compression temporarily! What do they call for? Are they new rings or
    100,000 miles? Now the used rings will be letting a little compression
    by, pretty normal!
    Dodgem
     
    Dodgem440, Mar 7, 2004
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  3. Tibur Waltson

    simpleton Guest

    you didn't say anything about honing the cylinder and re-ringing the
    pistons...
    your initial compression numbers were arrived at with the cylinder coated
    with oil. If you were to squirt oil down the plug hole now and retest I
    would expect your numbers to rise back to the 190~200 numbers that you first
    saw.
    150 psi is not bad, the service limit is 131psi.... The only thing that
    catches my eye here is the 10 psi jump on #4 cylinder. is the piston top
    covered in carbon? 14psi in the max difference in compression per the
    factory manual.
     
    simpleton, Mar 7, 2004
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  4. Tibur Waltson

    robs440 Guest

    squirt some oil in the hole and try it again. if it goes up its ring
    related
     
    robs440, Mar 7, 2004
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  5. Tibur Waltson

    Outlander Guest

    Sounds like the oil from the install was giving you a false
    reading..What are the factory spec's on the compression? The 150ish
    does not seem terrible to me...?? I've found that you have to be
    suspicious of gauges too....And don't forget to hold the throttle open
    as you test so you get airflow......
     
    Outlander, Mar 7, 2004
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  6. And run the compression test at the same temp as the previous one...
     
    Stephen Bigelow, Mar 7, 2004
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  7. To all responses:

    Yes, the rings are 100,000 miles old. I didn't hone the cylinder
    and re-ring the pistons...

    No, the throttle weren't open on the second compression test. :- (

    No, the compression test immediately after oil coating
    the walls and after putting the head on, not ever running the engine.

    No, the test was done cold on the first attempt and warm on the
    second. :-(

    Uhmm... I'm not sure what the shop manual call for in psi. Someone
    mentioned the service limit is 131psi. +,- 14.
    Excellent idea. Will try it correctly this time.

    The 10 psi jump on #4 cylinder is mysterious as the the jump
    occurred at the initial test which there are no carbon deposits of any
    kind (I clean out all the carbon deposits with a lot of carb cleaner
    before installation.) I coat the walls with oil because they were bone
    dry from the carb cleaner.

    Someone mention I have to be suspicious of gauges. I'm suspicious
    of this $45 gauge because the needle would jump to 210-psi,
    for example, then a couple seconds later rest and hold steady at
    200. Maybe wrong method. Anyway, I doubt my method is correct
    because I've been genuinely advised of a few mistakes
    already.

    Tibur
     
    Tibur Waltson, Mar 7, 2004
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  8. Tibur Waltson

    simpleton Guest

    "Uhmm... I'm not sure what the shop manual call for in psi. Someone
    mentioned the service limit is 131psi. +,- 14."

    that was me...131 is the lower service limit after which the motor needs
    rings and a hone.
    the 14 psi figure is the maximum differential between cylinders not the
    tollerance range.

    "Someone mention I have to be suspicious of gauges."

    snap-on is pretty much the benchmark standard.
    the biggest difference in gauges is the plug adapter portion that goes into
    the plug hole. there is a variation from brand to brand as to how much
    volume the adapter displaces in the combustion chamber which changes the
    peak psi reading on the gauge.

    retest, on a warm motor with the throttle open and i bet you end up very
    healthy numbers. good luck.
     
    simpleton, Mar 7, 2004
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