cold start problem

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by pj, Sep 24, 2008.

  1. pj

    pj Guest

    Hi

    It is RAM 92 5.9turbo.
    When is cold like now close to frost, I need crank ~30second to start. When
    they start, next start needs just one crank. I did check air heater system -
    is not working (heating elements are OK).It is like computer is not giving
    signal to relays. Do we have some temp sensor sending message to comp to
    start air heating system? What fore is this KSB sensor on the intake
    manifold? Do we have any cut-off fuel valve (sorry for my poor English)
     
    pj, Sep 24, 2008
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    Bill Putney Guest

    I don't have any personal experience with that vehicle, but in general,
    it could be that one or more fuel injectors is leaking, so that when the
    vehicle sits overnight, fuel leaks out of the fuel rail into the
    cylinder of the leaking injector (or injectors). When you go to start
    it in the morning, the fuel pump needs a few seconds of run time to
    re-fill the fuel rail and pressurize it, plus there may be air trapped
    that has to be pushed out. Then, later, when you re-start, the fuel
    rail has not had time to drain down enough to matter, so it starts OK.

    Some vehicles also have a check valve in the fuel pump that can also
    drain the system back into the tank if the check valve leaks, creating a
    similar problem.

    When it does finally start in the morning, does it run rough, and or do
    you smell raw gasoline from the exhaust?
     
    Bill Putney, Sep 24, 2008
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    maxpower Guest

    its a diesel Bill
     
    maxpower, Sep 24, 2008
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  4. pj

    Bill Putney Guest

    Just seeing if you were paying attention. :)

    Bill Putney
    (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
    address with the letter 'x')
     
    Bill Putney, Sep 24, 2008
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    Steve Guest

    Not likely, Bill. A '92 Ram 5.9 turbo isn't a gasoline engine :)
    Normally we call it a Cummins B5.9 here in the US. I was thinking an
    aftermarket turbo'd 360 too, until I saw him referring to grid air
    heaters... ;-)
    Not likely Raw diesel, maybe, but hopefully not gasoline! ;-)
     
    Steve, Sep 24, 2008
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  6. pj

    Steve Guest


    Like Bill, I'm not really familiar with that engine, but I know the
    general principles. Below a certain temperature, the grid air heater
    should turn on. If they don't, it could be:

    -The sensor that tells the system what temperature it is
    -The ECM
    -A bad connection
    -A bad heater relay.

    or maybe a few other things. I'd check out the temp sensor and the
    relays first, then start looking for bad connections.
     
    Steve, Sep 24, 2008
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    aarcuda69062 Guest

    Air charge temperature sensor.
    The KSB solenoid advances injection timing on a cold engine to reduce
    white smoke. The KSB solenoid is controlled by the SBEC (computer)
    based on input from the air charge temperature sensor.
    There is a manual fuel shut off lever.
     
    aarcuda69062, Sep 25, 2008
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  8. pj

    pj Guest

    HI
    what kind of electric fuel pump (in line) can I use with this engine?

    George
     
    pj, Sep 26, 2008
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    Steve Guest

    If you're talking about a low-pressure "lift pump" then just about
    anything that is rated for diesel and has adequate flow. Facet-Purolator
    pumps are popular as lift pumps.
     
    Steve, Sep 26, 2008
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    pj Guest

    They display cods :12, 55
    Any ideas?
    Best George
     
    pj, Sep 27, 2008
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    Bob Shuman Guest

    12 and 55 are start and end of codes ... 12 means the battery was recently
    disconnected/CPU lost power and 55 means end of codes. Without at least one
    more code in the middle, these 2 will not be any help in troubleshooting
    this issue.

    Bob
     
    Bob Shuman, Sep 27, 2008
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  12. pj

    Joe Pfeiffer Guest

    That basically means "no codes". 12 means "battery disconnected
    recently", or is always displayed if any other codes will be
    displayed. 55 means "end of codes".
     
    Joe Pfeiffer, Sep 27, 2008
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