Chrysler's latest scam

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by mack, Jul 23, 2006.

  1. mack

    mack Guest

    In the last few weeks, I've noticed Chrysler ads on TV, where the voiceover
    states "If you're dissatisfied with your new Chrysler, SIMPLY return it to
    the dealer within 30 days".

    While the graphic is on the screen (a full 2 1/2 seconds by my reckoning)
    there's a fine print paragraph which states that you are responsible for a
    restocking charge of 5% of the MSRP....and about that time the graphic
    stops.

    Today, I got a flyer from the local Chrysler dealer which I read
    carefully...the fine print is about the size of the type on the back of an
    aspirin bottle, but here's what it says ...

    "To participate in the 30 day return program, the following criteria must be
    met: must use a dealer participating in the Employee Pricing Plus program,
    musst be a retail purchase, leases do not qualify, must be financed through
    Chrysler Financial, purchase cannot involve a trade-in of another vehicle,
    vehicle must not have any non-Mopar parts/accessories installed.
    Customer responsibilites if vehicle is returned: Payment of title, tax, and
    doc fees, payment of a restocking fee of 5% of MSRP, plus $.50 per mile
    driven, must return the vehicle to the selling dealer in good, undamaged and
    like new condition within 30 days of delivery, only one return of a vehicle
    is allowed per customer. Program expires July 31. 2006. "

    So, you can simply return the car to the dealer (if it's a retail purchase,
    not a lease, and you haven't put on any parts which aren't Mopar) by paying
    5% of the MSRP (on a $30k car, that's only $1500) pay the tax (which in
    California would be close to 8%, or $2400), pay the license (about $600-900
    in California) and 50c per mile driven (if you've driven 900 miles in 3 1/2
    weeks, that would be $450). Plus the $50 or so doc fee.

    Thus, if you didn't like your car, it would cost you

    $1500 restocking fee
    $2400 tax
    $ 600 (at least) registration
    $ 450 mileage driven
    $ 50 document fee
    ~~~~~~~~~
    $ 5000. total

    And remember, there can't have been a trade in, and you had to finance the
    car through Chrysler Financial.

    Is this a good deal or what? Maybe it IS worth it.....To the dealer.
     
    mack, Jul 23, 2006
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  2. mack

    Joe Guest

    Not to mention the state. They're racking up! Unlike the dealer, the state
    doesn't have anything to lose in the deal. It's actually a pretty good deal
    except for the tax implications.
     
    Joe, Jul 23, 2006
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  3. mack

    corning_d3 Guest

    They gotta make all that money back that the 2.7 V-6 cost them....POS..
     
    corning_d3, Jul 23, 2006
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  4. mack

    MoPar Man Guest

    Um - wouldn't you get a refund on the tax? Isin't that how it
    normally works when you return something?

    As for the registration, wouldn't you end up with a new set of plates
    (good for what - a year?) that you could use on another car?
     
    MoPar Man, Jul 23, 2006
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  5. mack

    Nobody Guest

    I'm wondering how this works...in New York, you don't get your title for
    six weeks from date you pick up your car (plus/minus a few days...it's
    pretty consistent). How do you transfer title back to dealer with no
    title?!?
     
    Nobody, Jul 23, 2006
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  6. mack

    Nobody Guest

    With regard to the tax, in New York, you only get that back if you win a
    lemon law case. You don't get it back if the manufacturer agrees to back
    through some arbitration process (such as BBB Auto Line). The state gets
    to keep their piece...
     
    Nobody, Jul 23, 2006
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  7. mack

    Nobody Guest

    Ask Dr. Z...if he's a fag.
     
    Nobody, Jul 23, 2006
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  8. mack

    Coasty Guest

    I would not call it a scam since everything is in writing I would consider
    it alternate sales revenue.

    Coasty
     
    Coasty, Jul 23, 2006
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  9. mack

    frenchy Guest

    $ 5000. total
    The car would then have to be sold as a used car after that, or (?)
     
    frenchy, Jul 24, 2006
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  10. mack

    corning_d3 Guest

    Or a lease car..
     
    corning_d3, Jul 24, 2006
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  11. mack

    kmatheson Guest

    Doesn't surpise me. I can't see where they would be willing to take the
    car back, and absorb all the costs from the failed sale. My friend sold
    a car back based on the outcome of an arbitration settlement. He had to
    pay .50 per mile, and got no refund for the license fees.

    That is why the *fine print* is just that. If it is a radio ad, the
    annoucer will quickly spew out all the exclusions and limitations
    during the last few seconds of the advertisment.

    -KM
     
    kmatheson, Jul 24, 2006
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  12. mack

    mack Guest

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    The fine print in the TV ad lasts for less than 3 seconds on screen, and if
    you can read it, you're Evelyn Wood's star pupil in rapid reading.
    As for the flyer from the Chrysler dealer, the print is so small that it's
    half the size of phone book print, and even printed on a contrasting
    background, so you REALLY have to want to read it. But the upshot is that
    you can't "SIMPLY return the car to the dealer". I can imagine anyone
    trying to return the car will turn the greatest shade of purple when they
    find out that they're on the hook for all the charges....least of which is
    the 5% of the MSRP of the car (not even of the actual selling price but of
    the MSRP!)
     
    mack, Jul 24, 2006
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  13. mack

    mack Guest

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Sure, it's in writing, and so are the reams of boilerplate in most
    contracts, which nobody reads either. When you deal with someone where
    thousands of dollars are transferred in exchange for an article of
    merchandise, there is (or at least should be) and element of trust between
    the parties. In this case, it's almost fraudulent, I think, unless the
    saleperson brings up the conditions under which the offer is made, and after
    bringing each of the conditions to the table, asks the customer to initial
    EACH of the conditions examined. Do you think any of this would ever be
    done in a showroom's sales office?
    Not unless there really is an easter bunny and a tooth fairy and ......
     
    mack, Jul 24, 2006
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  14. mack

    News Guest


    This campaign really needs to be tipped to a consumer-oriented state's
    Attorney General who will decide if it is merely misleading advertising,
    or worse.
     
    News, Jul 24, 2006
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  15. mack

    mack Guest

    Yeah, but by the time the guvmint's law enforcers "spring into action" the
    ad campaign is ancient history. I'd love to see it happen though. I
    think it goes way beyong "misleading" and it borders on outright fraud. If
    you bought a $30K Chrysler with the understanding that you could pitch it
    back at the dealer if you didn't like it within 30 days (as implied by the
    ad) and found that you'd have to kick in FIVE THOUSAND BUCKS to assuage your
    dissatisfaction, I could see some folks going postal over it.
    You could drive a rental for a couple of days for likely less than $100, to
    see whether the car was for you, which would be 2 percent of what your
    misadventure would cost if you bought the damn thing!
     
    mack, Jul 25, 2006
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  16. mack

    Matt Ion Guest

    And if you don't read all that fine print and boilerplate, you're a fool and you
    have nothing to complain about.
     
    Matt Ion, Jul 30, 2006
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  17. mack

    Art Guest

    I would call it a big embarrassing scam. Another way to turn off customers.
     
    Art, Aug 11, 2006
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  18. mack

    Joe Guest

    I still say it's a pretty decent deal if it wasn't for the taxes.
     
    Joe, Aug 13, 2006
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  19. Paying $1500 for trying a vehicle that you are supposed to be able to
    "simply return to the dealer" is not a "pretty decent deal".
     
    NowItsWhatever, Aug 13, 2006
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  20. mack

    MoPar Man Guest

    When you buy a TV, refrigerator, chair, etc, and return it, you get
    everything refunded - including the tax. Why would this deal be any
    different?

    Why do you say that the gov't keeps the tax if you buy a car and then
    return it?

    Even if you have to pay the cost to register and plate the car, the
    plate is still yours after you return the car, and you'd be able to
    put it on another car (the one you buy and end up keeping).
     
    MoPar Man, Aug 13, 2006
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