Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by George Orwell, May 16, 2007.

  1. George Orwell

    Lloyd Guest

    Gee, a bigot heard from.
    And a dumb one at that.
    Wouldn't expect you to know anything.
    So, burn any crosses lately?
     
    Lloyd, May 25, 2007
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  2. There speaks a real connoisseur...

    BTW, for us Europeans, what's a "rag head"?

    DAS

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    Dori A Schmetterling, May 25, 2007
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  3. George Orwell

    Dave Milne Guest

    Lloyd Parker leases a Mercedes because he is "fiscally conservative".

    Right Lloyd ?

    Dave Milne, Scotland
     
    Dave Milne, May 26, 2007
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  4. George Orwell

    Dave Milne Guest

    Have you *ever* been in a Mercedes ?? Overpriced and expensive perhaps, but
    you can't fault the ride. Certainly not if you come from the US which has a
    history of deriving its ride quality from the marine industry and has been
    slow to give up cart springs. Wait, that would be logging waggon springs.

    Dave Milne, Scotland.
     
    Dave Milne, May 26, 2007
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  5. George Orwell

    Guest Guest

    You appear stupid, since you obviously aren't aware what has been going
    on.
    While the Big 3 have shown token interest in reasonably sized cars the
    "import" manufacturers have been building what consumers want at very
    good quality.

    Nothing to do with the NYSE or the UAW, just very poor management by the
    Big 3.
     
    Guest, May 26, 2007
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    who Guest

    You are very out of date when is comes to NA cars.
    I rent a UK (sold, none made there anymore) car every year or so, thus I
    know what I'm talking about.
     
    who, May 27, 2007
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    DeserTBoB Guest

    I don't think the OP is necessarily "stupid"...he's right about greed
    in US business, but you're right about Big 3 management...THEY'RE the
    culprits, and have all the money in the world to deflect blame onto
    the floor workers through Rockefeller-like "PR" campaigns and
    sniveling to their press puppet, the WSJ...one of the least credible
    news organs on the planet.
     
    DeserTBoB, May 28, 2007
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  8. George Orwell

    Dave Milne Guest

    If you read my post carefully, you will note I said "was slow to give up"
    not "hasn't given up".
    Although you rent a UK car every year or so, I bet you don't drive nearly as
    many of them as I do...

    Dave Milne, Scotland
     
    Dave Milne, May 28, 2007
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  9. Is the low-sulfur diesel available all over the US yet?

    DAS

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    Dori A Schmetterling, May 28, 2007
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  10. On the whole Mercs have been and are classy and timeless.

    That's why a 20-yr-old Merc can still pass muster today.

    DAS

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    Dori A Schmetterling, May 28, 2007
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  11. 15ppm "Ultra-Low Sulfur" diesel was mandated in January 2007. I assume it
    was mandated all over the country, that's what we have in Michigan.

     
    Matt Macchiarolo, May 28, 2007
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    Joe Guest

    Timeless is a nice way to put it. They certainly aren't out of style. 20
    year old Mercs don't have any character lines on them anywhere, or any kind
    of styling features. They weren't really styled at all, just basically a
    block of soap.

    I admit new ones are quite a bit more styled. I was just saying they didn't
    actually use styling for a long time, say 1960 to 2000. I'm not saying I
    didn't like the styling - I'm saying there wasn't any. If you don't put
    lines on something, it's just flat.
     
    Joe, May 29, 2007
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  13. We have it in OR also. What the ironic thing is, is that this mandate is
    one of the reasons fuel prices went up - it's more costly to refine heavy
    crude to get rid of the sulfur - yet the diesel prices here are lower than
    gasoline.

    Ted
     
    Ted Mittelstaedt, May 30, 2007
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    miles Guest

    I don't know what the knew mandate actually costs but in general diesel
    is far cheaper to refine than gasoline.
     
    miles, May 30, 2007
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  15. Typically diesel prices go down in the summer because they are tied to home
    heating oil.
     
    Matt Macchiarolo, May 31, 2007
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    Lloyd Guest

    Diesel here in Georgia was more expensive than premium unleaded a year
    ago, about the same a month ago, and 20 cents a gal cheaper now. The
    interesting thing is, diesel has stayed the same, around $2.80 a
    gallon, while gas has gone up.
     
    Lloyd, May 31, 2007
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  17. Yes.

    BTW diesel is only very cheap to refine when it's a marginal product, as it
    was in the old days.

    Now that diesel demand is greater (in Europe, at least) than the proportion
    in which it is produced in the cracking process it has become expensive.

    DAS

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    Dori A Schmetterling, May 31, 2007
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  18. There is no such thing as "no styling". Something may be bland in the eyes
    of the beholder, but that is a different matter.

    DAS

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    Dori A Schmetterling, May 31, 2007
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    Steve Guest

    Exactly. Refineries can no longer get rid of unwanted sulfur by leaving
    it in diesel....
     
    Steve, May 31, 2007
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  20. George Orwell

    Steve Guest

    Look at a Scion XB or Honda Element, and then say that again with a
    straight face.

    Oh yea, there IS such a thing as "no styling."
     
    Steve, May 31, 2007
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