Chrysler Bailout is "capitalism at work"

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Jim Higgins, May 23, 2009.

  1. Jim Higgins

    Jim Higgins Guest

    Chrysler Bailout is "capitalism at work"
    http://tinyurl.com/plrecl

    The Chrysler Bailout is "capitalism at work," writes private equity
    macher Scott Sperling in the WSJ. Here are some of the more questionable
    sentences in his essay:

    Without a drastic restructuring neither Chrysler nor GM would have
    a chance for long-term success ...

    These decisions include "right sizing" industry capacity by cutting
    many union and white-collar jobs and closing numerous manufacturing
    plants and dealerships; making the unions accept lower wages and
    benefits so that these companies can compete ... [E.A]

    The cuts current union members were forced to accept were not
    impressive. Before the deal, Chrysler's UAW workers made $28 an hour.
    After they deal, they'll make $28 an hour. They gave up a scheduled
    increase in wages, plus a couple of scheduled bonuses. That explains
    why Chrysler's Belvidere, Illinois workers told TV station WIFR that
    "the plan is not nearly as drastic as they expected." ...

    As for Chrysler's "chance for long-term success," it appears vanishingly
    small. Italian manufacturer FIAT is supposed to save Chrysler with new
    products, but according to a recent Automotive News article, "four of
    the six new vehicles from Fiat will enter the small-car segment," which
    is highly competitive but "covers only 14 percent of the entire U.S.
    light-vehicle market."

    "The volumes need to be big for Chrysler to survive," [market
    analyst Tracy Handler] said. "Will they be? I have doubts about that."

    See also this BBC article ("it's madness"). Pathetically, Chrysler
    hopes that even if they don't save the company the new small cars will
    "urnish the environmental image of Chrysler brands," says Automotive
    News. Unfortunately, the pipeline for those brands' other, larger,
    products--burnished or not--is pretty much empty.

    If Chrysler workers were paid, say, not $28 an hour instead of
    $24--still not bad--the firm might actually have a "chance for long term
    success" through charging lower prices. But that wasn't a sacrifice
    Obama was ready to ask (even if Belvidere workers were apparently
    willing). ...

    Final obvious point: I don't want to sound like Veronique de Rugy here,
    but who will pay the price if when this half-baked "restructuring"
    fails? In normal "capitalism at work," those who would pay the price
    will be those who made the deal and put up their money--the capitalists.
    (Query: Would Scott Sperling invest his firm's money in this dubious
    proposition?) If When Obama's plan fails, the monetary loss will fall
    not on Obama, but on the taxpayers. It will likely be made up somehow by
    the taxpayers (via higher tax assessments or inflation). That's not
    "capitalism at work." It's something else at work. But I'd be all for
    it, if I thought it really would work. It won't, and it will be Obama's
    fault. (He'd certainly get credit if it succeeded.) ... 6:05 P.M.
     
    Jim Higgins, May 23, 2009
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  2. Jim Higgins

    MoPar Man Guest

    Wasn't Sperling the president of the "hair club for men" ?
    The real problem for US automakers is that they have enormous costs
    associated with paying the health care costs for their current and
    retired employees. They contracted themselves into that corner years
    ago and at the time they probably didn't know that US health care costs
    would spiral out of control.

    In most other countries (especially Japan) health care is delivered and
    paid for differently and although we here in north america don't know a
    lot about how Japan works, it's safe to say that Honda, Toyota, Nissan,
    etc, aren't faced with crippling costs associated with their retired
    auto workers. Probably same for Korean auto makers too.

    European car makers too also enjoy the fact that health care is, more or
    less, a public service, so they need not make special provisions to
    provide health care services to their retired workers.

    Also, it's probably the case that for the Japanese operations here in
    north america, that again the jap companies are probably not facing huge
    costs relating to their retired workers because of how they've
    structured their employment contracts (and they probably don't have a
    lot of retired workers in north america at this point anyways).

    The US health care industry, costs and delivery structure will be looked
    at years from now as one of the biggest reasons why many well
    established US manufacturing companies went out of business during the
    2000 - 2010 decade.

    Curiously, that aspect is receiving little to no critical examination or
    press coverage currently, most likely because the health care industry
    is a powerful lobby and seems able to control and squash any bad press
    coverage.
     
    MoPar Man, May 23, 2009
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  3. Jim Higgins

    Jim Higgins Guest

    If you are curious here is a link to PBS Frontline for "Sick Around the
    World", a summary of how several countries handle healthcare (a *lot*
    better than we do).

    Sick Around the World
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/


    If you want the whole shot then look at these:

    Sick Around the World
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/

    ====================================================================

    The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems
    http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

    "The world health report 2007 - A safer future: global public health
    security in the 21st century"

    Full report download as a .pdf file:
    http://www.who.int/entity/whr/2007/whr07_en.pdf (4.15MB)

    ====================================================================

    Healthcare For All: In Western Europe Its a Reality
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91972152

    France: Health Care for All
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91970968

    Germany: Health Care for All
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91971170

    Great Britain: Health Care for All
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91971293

    Netherlands: Health Care for All
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91973552

    Switzerland: Health Care for All
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91974014

    =====================================================================

    Health Care: An International Comparison
    http://www.npr.org/news/specials/healthcare/healthcare_profiles.html

    Netherlands' Health Care Reflects National Values
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92641635

    Keeping German Doctors On A Budget Lowers Costs
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91931036

    France At Forefront Of Free, Innovative Cancer Care
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92362918

    While the U.S. Spends Heavily on Health Care, a Study Faults the Quality
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/17/business/17health.html

    After-Hours Doctor Calls Save Holland Money
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92606938
     
    Jim Higgins, May 23, 2009
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  4. this stuff has been going on since the 80's the uaw was right many years
    ago!look to the past to guide the future
    don't believe me watch roger and me by mike moore and you will some of the
    same issues then are present now
    making money is one thing but the greed people have now is corrupting our
    nation/politicians and add to that that no one wants to take responsibility
    for their actions
    Russia has even publicly stated we as a nation are done
    japans companies don't worry about retirement the government pays it and
    provides health care
    like any good socialist country would companies just provide pay and a place
    to live and that is were the difference is
    Obama is socialism so get ready
     
    man of machines, May 23, 2009
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  5. I would not worry that much about what Russia might say. In the fifties
    Khrushchev said "we will bury you" to the US and the West.

    Obviously times have changed but still....

    DAS

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    Dori A Schmetterling, May 23, 2009
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