Ceramic Brake Pads - T & C

Anyone using Ceramics on '99 or so T & C. Last brake job I got they
put some real junk pads on. Noisy (growl at low speed stop) and dust
real bad. Thinking about dumping the pads and replacing with
ceramics.

 

The word 'ceramic' applied to brake pads is like the word 'natural'
applied to food. As one brake manufacturing engineer explained it to
me, you can put enough ceramic powder in the mix to equal a pinch of
pepper and market it as a ceramic.

'Ceramic' is the big buzz word in brakes these days and there's a lot of
junk out there with that label. There are all kinds of things that have
to be properly engineered in a brake pad - the binders for one (which
have nothing to do with the ceramic component) - and they themselves can
be a real problem with filming issues.

Whatever type of pad you get, get one from a manufacturer you trust.

Bill Putney
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I was very impressed with the Akebono ceramic pads I installed on my
son's Honda Accord. More than likely, that is what I will go with.
What I have on there now (quick brake job before a trip) is pure junk.

 

I use Akebono on a 2003 T&C with no problems and no dust.

Marvin Stockman

 

Akebono's are among the very best. They invented ceramic pads, or so they
claim. Tire Rack is a good source. Great performance on my 04 T&C and 01 PT
Cruiser.

Richard.

 

I've got Raybestos "Quiet Stop" on my 99T&C AWD. Very disappointing - just
as dirty as the OEM even though they claim "ultra low dusting". I've never
been impressed with the braking capability on this vehicle and these pads
didn't improve anything. I'm going to try the Akebono's next. Has anyone
found a retailer in Canada for Akebono?

Will

 

I'd rather wash my wheels weekly than use ultra-hard ceramic pads that
chew up the rotors and reduce stopping effectiveness. The PAD is the
expendable/replaceable part, not the rotor.

 

I am in Canada and am interested in this as well.

I also recall someone talking about special rotors for the Caravan
that had venting holes drilled in them similar to those seen on
Motorcycles. The idea being that the lower temperature would extend
the life of the parts and increase the braking efficiency.

Does anyone know what brand these are? How much? Dealer in Canada?

Thanks!

 

What pads do you use - and do they perform better? I don't care how dirty
the wheels get, I just want effective brakes.

 

Have you *ever* seen ad copy for *any* brake pad that did *not* say
"ULTRA LOW DUSTING" *AND* "ROTOR FRIENDLY"? I don't think I have.

Bill Putney
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On the strong recommendation of Frozen Rotors, I tried a set of
Performance Friction's "Z-Rated" pads. They have been superb. (I can't
speak for dusting because I work in a mining area and my car stays dirty
and I wouldn't know brake dust from the mining dust.)

Bill Putney
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That '97 Accord mentioned in my earlier post has had ceramics all it's
life, currently Akebono's. Has the original rotors. 155K miles. No
excessive wear or "chewing" of the rotors.

Frank

 

I have experience with both Accord and Grand Caravan. OEM front pads
and rotors on the Grand Caravan/T&C are marginal to begin with, and
aggressive pads only make the rotor wear problem worse. Never had
issues with Accord brakes, pads or rotors, though many experienced the
rotor warping issue. The Accord is, what, HALF the weight of a GC/TC,
especially a loaded GC/TC?

 

I'm of the opinion that what people automatically assume is rotor warp
is often instead a non-uniform filming issue caused by the pad binders
(whether the pads are ceramic or otherwise). Particularly when the
vibration comes and goes from one day to the next, with type of brake
usage, with ambient temperatures, stop-and-go vs. highway driving, etc,
I suspect pad filming issues. Rotors don't just warp and unwarp from
one day to the next.

Bill Putney
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Correct on so called rotor warp. I have found that the ceramic pads I have
used on two Chrysler mini-vans and my PT Cruiser have caused less than
expected wear on the rotors and have actually eliminated the wheel dust
problem with these vehicles. Such pads are standard on may Asian vehicles
such as Toyota. Too bad no one makes ceramic pads for the rear of the
Cruiser. Too many sold with rear drums to attract vender attention I guess.

Richard.

 

I thought Chrysler worked with ceramic brake materials in production cars in
the late 1950's ? Thought I saw an article on it at he ALLPAR web site ?

I use NAPA Ceramix pads on my T-Bird. Seems to help with the rotor warp
issues of that car.

Steve

 

Challenge: Give me a credible explanation of how pad material can affect
rotor warp given that the heat generated by the driver applying pedal
pressure for the identical braking effect would be the same regardless
of pad material.

As stated before, I believe that what many automatically assume is rotor
warp is really an uneven pad filming issue. IOW, a particular pad that
does not result in brake vibration might be assumed to not be causing
rotor warp, when in reality it may simply have better, more uniform
filming characteristics (probably determined by binder properties as
much as the pad material descriptor (i.e., ceramic, metallic, carbon
metallic, ferro-carbon, etc., etc., etc., etc.).

Bill Putney
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Turns out AKEBONO does not have any retail distribution in Canada. I
ordered a set of Akebono pro-act pads from Rockauto.com, they were cheaper
than Tirerack.com. Lets see how long it takes for the global express mail
to get them to Toronto.....

Will

 

You close enough to the border to have them shipped to a drop point
and pick them up?

I live in Vancouver, and there are lots of little places like this in
a little town just across the line called Blaine. You don't even have
to rent a box. They will just charge you a per-package receiving fee.
All you have to do is call in advance and let them know something is
coming. They call you when the package comes in.

Just a thought.

Having said that, are there any ceramic pads worth buying available in
Canada?

 

I'm in Toronto - it's hardly worth driving to Buffalo to save $20 shipping,
but in some circumstances, your scenario makes sense.

As I said, I've tried the Raybestos QS and have not been impressed. They
are due for replacement as my brake fluid level is low - they lasted about
30,000 Km on new rotors. There's material left on the pads, but there is
now a groaning noise sometimes during braking. The rotors don't appear to
be worn severely - I'll resurface them.