Built like a Mercedes (?)

Yes those figures are included in those DOE tables but if you look carefully
you will find that they only refer to households that actually have a car.
On that basis the UK has nearly half of all households that have a car with
two cars or more. Still less than the US. If you look at all the references
I provided, it is all there.
Since you must bring up how many cars were in your household as if in a
pissing contest then I should say that I presently have a Range Rover, Land
Cruiser, Nissan Terrano, Fiat Panda, Isuzu Trooper and a Land rover outside.
Hmm, that's six, five of which are SUV's, not counting the commercial
vehicles connected with my various business away from home. These have only
four drivers presently.

Huw

 

The most recent figures I can find show about 1.7 cars per household
for the US if you assume that all households with 3 or more vehicles
only have 3.

Same figures show 63% of households with cars in the US have two or
more.

 

I thought I saw a higher figure in the statistics somewhere but I won't
argue with that.

So the UK is not very far behind. I suspect the UK and Europe has been
catching up from a historically much lower number.

Huw

 

Depending where you are in Canada that might not be too long from any
given day. IIRC Calgary had snow last summer.

 

Table A19 of the document you reference shows average HOUSEHOLD
vehicle miles to be 29000 per year - with - and this is one thing I
stated that you poo-poo'd - the RURAL mileage being 36,000, and the
urban 27,000. These are 2001 figures, published in 2005.

The forces that have raised those numbers over the last 10 years have
not diminished in the last half of those ten years. These numbers, you
need to understand are PER HOUSEHOLD - and NOT PER HOUSEHOLD WITH A
VEHICLE.

Yes, more than one vehicle per household drops the average per
vehicle, but households with no vehicle raise the average as well.

And you know the old saw - figures never lie, but liars figure.
and - there's statistics, damn statistics, and lies.

 

My esteemed leader is about 6 years too late on my planning schedule. I
bought a diesel truck, so I can fuel up using bio diesel. We have an
abundance of soybeeans around here. As such, I'm quite ok driving a 7000lb
truck.

--
Max

"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)

 

The figures stand up on their own merit. If you have a particular problem

I have done exactly that. Assumptions are not part of any accurate formula.
Nor are generalizations, or profoundly poor theories that don't stand up to
even the most cursory inspection. Your findings are exactly that and less.

Meanwhile, A truck getting 5 MPG (being generous) will still burn 10 gallons
an hour to go 50mph with 25 tons, thus burning 240 gallons a day and going
1200 miles, assuming it doesn't stop (again, being generous)for the entire
24 hour period. A 2000hp locomotive supplied with 250 gallons will move over
2500 tons (roughly 25 rail cars, or the equivalent of 75 trucks in volume,
100 in weight) 320 miles at 40MPH in an 8 hour day.

30,000 ton miles versus 800,000 ton miles. Train wins handily.

Do the research instead of posting assuptions, guesses and bullshit.

--
Max

"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)

 

Yeah, Huw must think that the net is the final authority.....

See another post of mine where I use actual numbers, something that Huw has
yet to post.

--
Max

"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)

 

They are official US Government department figures, not imagined figures

Well Huw, ya can't have it both ways. Either the U.S. Government is full of
crap (see Iraq, oil consumption) or they aren't (see your profound and
complete belief that the U.S. Government speaks the truth throughout their
reports).



--
Max

"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)

 

Stop squirming, it is embarrassing to those that read your posts.

Already posted them Huw, no need for me to redo research you failed to look
at.

I found yet another one....

http://www.sri-rtp.com/Envirofuels/Envirofuels_VR_Final.pdf#search='locomotive fuel consumption'

Check out Appendix B, where it lists fuel consumption by GPH.

WIDE open for an hour, making 2900+hp, a locomotive only burns 170gallons of
fuel.

With that kind of power, you can pull 4000 tons (40 rail cars) at 50 MPH no
problem. Thats 200,000 ton miles. A truck burning fuel at 5 MPG will go 850
miles on 170 gallons. Hauling 25 tons, thats 21,250 ton miles. If the
locomotive is operated properly it'll use less fuel, since it won't be wide
open 100% of the time.

The locomotive used in the test isn't even a "new improved" design, its over
30 years old.

More numbers Huw. Got any yet?

--
Max

"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)

 

An assumption does not have to mean a random number plucked from the air

Unfortunately in this case, thats exactly what they are.

--
Max

"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)

 

The figures are so overwhelmingly in favour of road transport that even if

A lie, at best. Bring numbers. I have, where are yours?

At what speed? Motorcycles don't get this sort of MPG. Got proof or your
claims?

More lies.

Yup, its plain that you are the terminally blinkered and donkey stupid.
--
Max

"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)

 

The figures are so overwhelmingly in favour of road transport that even if

A lie, at best. Bring numbers. I have, where are yours?

At what speed? Motorcycles don't get this sort of MPG. Got proof or your
claims?

More lies.

Yup, its plain that you are the terminally blinkered and donkey stupid.
--
Max

"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)

 

Since you've introduced households to the discussion we'll now have to find out
what the average houshold size is to make a valid comparison !

Graham

 

You lucky devil. The superb Cummins. Is it the latest 24 valve electronic
version?
The 12 valve version is well known and very respected around here primarily
because of its fitment to Case Maxxum.

Huw

 

It is a simple information gathering exercise by a government department. If
you think they have a motive for cooking the books or you can point out an
inaccuracy to them or me, go ahead. Otherwise accept the figures.

Huw

 

You are deluded. My figures are officially collected by the US dep of energy
or similar agency.

Huw

 

I stand by the figures I supplied in the appropriate place.

Huw

 

I have posted the links to perfectly valid figures and will let the reader
make his own mind up.
Heavy bulk transport, as I have previously stated, is where the train is
most efficient. That and underground in major cities. Otherwise they are an
inefficient and costly irrelevance.
I have provided the links to figures that more than confirm this, including
damning fuel consumption figures per passenger mile with costings. If you
blindly disagree then fair enough, nothing will change your mind so there is
little more to say. I do note however that you also blindly disagree with US
Government data on car use so obviously you are totally blinkered in your
beliefs and no amount of proper evidence will sway you. Indeed you deny its
validity and accuracy.


Huw

 

You have obviously missed the figures that I have linked to previously so
here they are again so you cannot miss them


Fuel use comparison for train vs trucks, buses and motor cars.

http://www.transwatch.co.uk/transport-fact-sheet-5.htm


The index for all fact sheets can be found here.
http://www.transwatch.co.uk/fact-sheets.htm

A nice accurate summary can be found here
http://www.spiked-online.com/articles/0000000CAF2C.htm

See above, not that you will take a blind bit of notice.

The Panda easily acheives 70mpg. Yesterday I tried to get the best economy
and bettered 90. Speed was up to 60mph with a reasonably clear road but I
did overtake a few large trucks. Roads here are undulating with many bends
and high hedges. One lane each way with many towns and villages passed
through. Overall miles were 85.

Official fuel consumption data and mine looks exactly like the one in the
picture.

http://www.carpages.co.uk/fiat/fiat-panda-31-01-05.asp?switched=on&echo=805121050

No doubt you will claim such a car and such fuel consumption is impossible
and the figures must be inaccurate LOL

Again I have given adequate links to the figures. If you have difficulty
using links, reading, or navigating a web site, please let me know and I
will try to help without laughing too obviously ;-)

Are you a young teenager?

Huw