Build Coal-to-Oil Conversion Plant Now!

We'll be riding bicycles before long unless the Government invests in the
world's largest coal-to-oil conversion plant. Also on the list, oil shale
and tar sands conversion plants.

I did not say alcohol production plants...that's a political charade pocked
full of false promise. Only hydrocarbon based fuel production yields
positive yields of input vs output energy. Alcohol, hydrogen, and every
other scheme must be put to rest and buried so we can focus on the real
solution for the next 200 years. Beyond 200 years, fusion power hopefully
will result in liquid and gas fuel for vehicles (air, land, sea).

We can best wage war on the terrorists and their backer nations by building
these plants and becoming 100% self-sufficient on oil. War making in Iraq
is not an effective war on terrorists. For those of you who like the Iraq
war, you will love the upcoming Iran war and North Korea war. Stay tuned
for more wars unless our Government gets some sense and puts the money into
conversion plants instead of killing "insurgents" which half the time are
ordinary civilian fathers, mothers, and boy and girl children, totally
innocent people. Our President should spend less time in church and more
time repenting for what misery he has wrought upon innocents in his
foolhardy desire to liberate them from dictators and install systems of
freedom and liberty... Bless him if only he could perform this miracle
right here in the States. (Martha Stewart is a prime example--She shrugged
her shoulders and got 2 years in the penitentiary for it because LYING is
all it takes for a federal felony--and I bet you thought you had to draw
blood or do a stickup to earn prison stripes.)

There is a reason why Congress has not declared this Iraq war. They would
not have, will not, and will not ever declare it in the formal way WWII
(the last righteous war) was declared. Sure, the Congress voted for the
money to wage this President's war -- its to "support the troops". But why
would Congress declare a war when the war might go bad as it has; why,
because they would have to take the blame. This way, by allowing the
President to wage his own personal war, he will get to take all the blame
because nobody in Congress will admit to supporting the war as such, only
patrioticly supporting the troops by voting for the money. Its perfect
political sense and the best way to wage war if it wasn't for all the
aluminum boxes coming home filled with other people's dead children. There
is zero chance that the President's daughters or any Congressmen's children
will come back in a box. Always remember, if a war is not declared, it is
illegal under the Constitution as well as international law. Any captured
combatent of a nation which wages an illegal war can be treated as "common
criminals", just as Vietnam did to our captured soldiers. Its not worth
it. Its wrong and immoral.

And its expensive. We can either get our jollies by lashing out at the
world and wantonly killing everything that moves, or we can invest the
zillion dollars these wars are going to cost us. Invest in conversion
plants. Leave the gear in Iraq for the Iraqis to wage their own civil war
and it wouldn't suprise me if those murderous savages killed each other off
down to the last man and that man will pick up a pistol and blow his own
brains out. Bring home the troops tomorrow to save their lives, their
health, and the people's money so we can invest it wisely in our future.

Agree with me. That would be real patriotism in action not the phoney kind
Washington wreaks of. Still in doubt? Then answer this question: Why
don't terrorists bomb Switzerland? Its because their leaders stay out of
wars and mind their own business. We are bombed because our Leader noses
into wars and wreaks world-wide havoc. The President says we should always
be in one war or another and that is contrary to what peace-loving
Switzerland thinks. Somebody has got to be wrong and its either
Switzerland or the President. Since Switzerland has no terrorist problem,
logic tells me Switzerland's in the right and President Bush is in the
wrong. The fix is simple. Get rid of Bush and we can get the United
States doing like Switzerland does (or more accurately, doesn't). Our
terrorist problem will be history (and the oil problem too).

 

Why do terrorists focus on the USA????

You mean, really, you don't have a clue? Well, then you could be
president, because he doesn't either.

 

Is that you Neville Chamberlain???? I thought you died in 1949.

Who was it said if we do not learn from history we are destine to repeat it?
Thank goodness we have a President today that is more like Winston Churchill
than Jimmy Carter. LOL


mike hunt

 

Dontcha know... They flew those planes into buildings because we weren't
paying enough for their oil..

I would love to get old Nomen sat down and make him read the Bin Laden
fatwa's and tell me how that's OUR fault.

 

Well, do YOU know why they attacked us here on our home turf, and haven't
come after most of the western bloc countries?

You don't really think this is about oil, do you?

 

Actually international radical Islamic terrorists have been attacking
western interest around the world since the fifties. Several Presidents
Republican and Democrat did little or nothing about it and over the years
emboldened them to do even more by striking us in our own country. Osama
Ben Laden even taught his followers that we were weak and would not fight
the long fight. President Clinton proved him right when they struck the WTC
the first time. We can thank goodness that we finally have a President that
understands we must fight them now, and were they are, before they hit us in
our own county again.

President Bush pledged in his speech about 9/11 that he would seek out and
kill those that attacked us there, wherever they are, whoever they are AND
more importantly ALL those that support terrorist or harbor terrorist,
wherever they are and whoever they are, and that is exactly what he has been
doing ever since. Unfortunately the democrats, for political reasons, have
done a good job of convincing a lot of misinformed, uninformed Americans
that the war on Islamic terrorists is somewhere other than Iraq so they
could attack the President in a time of war, without looking unpatriotic or
political.

The fact the war on Islamic terrorist is in a dozen countries in the world
including Iraq, and getting worse as people in this country show that Ben
Laden was right, that many Americans are not willing to fight the long war
even for their own survival.

We can only hope that whoever is President, when the radical Islamic
terrorists hit us in this country again and they will, he will be like
President Bush and Winston Churchill and do what is right for the county and
to hell with those that want to appease
or cut and run, as so many did before WWII in the US and England

What the President said in part:

Our war on terror begins with Al Qaeda, but it does not end there.
It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found,
stopped and defeated.

Americans are asking "Why do they hate us?"

They hate what they see right here in this chamber: a democratically elected
government. Their leaders are self-appointed. They hate our freedoms: our
freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble
and disagree with each other.

They want to overthrow existing governments in many Muslim countries such as
Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Jordan. They want to drive Israel out of the Middle
East. They want to drive Christians and Jews out of vast regions of Asia and
Africa.

These terrorists kill not merely to end lives, but to disrupt and end a way
of life. With every atrocity, they hope that America grows fearful,
retreating from the world and forsaking our friends. They stand against us
because we stand in their way.

We're not deceived by their pretenses to piety.

We have seen their kind before. They're the heirs of all the murderous
ideologies of the 20th century. By sacrificing human life to serve their
radical visions, by abandoning every value except the will to power, they
follow in the path of fascism, Nazism and totalitarianism. And they will
follow that path all the way to where it ends in history's unmarked grave of
discarded lies.

Americans are asking, "How will we fight and win this war?"

We will direct every resource at our command - every means of diplomacy,
every tool of intelligence, every instrument of law enforcement, every
financial influence, and every necessary weapon of war - to the destruction
and to the defeat of the global terror network.

Now, this war will not be like the war against Iraq a decade ago, with a
decisive liberation of territory and a swift conclusion. It will not look
like the air war above Kosovo two years ago, where no ground troops were
used and not a single American was lost in combat.

Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated
strikes. Americans should not expect one battle, but a lengthy campaign
unlike any other we have ever seen. It may include dramatic strikes visible
on TV and covert operations secret even in success.

We will starve terrorists of funding, turn them one against another, drive
them from place to place until there is no refuge or no rest.

And we will pursue nations that provide aid or safe haven to terrorism.
Every nation in every region now has a decision to make: Either you are with
us or you are with the terrorists.

From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support
terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime. Our
nation has been put on notice, we're not immune from attack. We will take
defensive measures against terrorism to protect Americans.


mike hunt

 

* taken from some Mickey Rooney, Judy Garland movie of the thirties


{ poorly thought out garbage as usual}

 

I thought you knew something, I didnt.. guess it's the other way round.

Why should they bother attacking England? More than the token subway
attack, I mean... It's already verboten to have caricature pigs on desks
in governemnt offices.

And they have... the only difference is in the scale.

Have attacked
Germany (Night Club)
Spain
England

Foiled in
France
Germany
England

But that's just off top of my head...

And of course it's not about oil... that's just a ruse used by the Left
to get all the DEEP THINKING US social activists riled.

And by Bin Laden & Co to give the poor Arab kid another excuse if he
doesnt think Israel/Palestine is enough.

 

Just a hunch, but if the USA minded their own business and didn't try to put
their nose in everybody else's business, it might be a good start.

Get rid of Dubya.

Get out of IRAK (where are those WMD's), and get out of Afghanistan too.

 

:smokin: Very interesting how the initial premise of this alternative
fuel post immediately turned into a political statement.

I quote Colonel Klink from the old TV series "Hogan's
Heroes"...............

"Veerrrrrrrrryyyy interesting,,,,,,,,,, But Stupid!!!!":smokin:

 

NIMBY????

Forget the environmentalists. Who would argue about putting 10 of
these plants in the barren deserts of Nevada, Arizona, and New Mexico!
Nobody is going to see it in the middle of the desert. Parts of Nevada
were used to test nuclear bombs. So why should it be such a big deal
to set up "coal -> Oil -> diesel -> gasoline" plants there?

That would actually be a very clever, very wise move by the American
public to accept such a proposal.

On the other hand gas can climb up to $6 for regular and people can
naturaly give up their gas guzzlers for turbo diesel Jettas, Hybrids,
mass transit and motorcycles.


O2

 

Good question - probably Syria. You do understand that:
(1) They did exist without question
(2) The law of the conservation of mass is real

But a true liberal never lets reality stand in the way of their
politics. So be honest - do you believe in the law of the conservation
of mass?

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')

 

Bill, never, I repeat, never, try to inject logic, especially physics,
into politics.

It just won't work as politics isn't about what is real and true, it is
about what illusions you can create to support your position and
accomplish whatever goal you have for whatever reasons you have it.

Two completely different worlds.


Matt

 

There are several possibilities...
(a) Might be in Syria, as you surmise
(b) Might even be in Iran...Iraq fought Iran for a long time, but when the
US
attacked Iraq, they sent many of their fighter planes to Iran. ????
(c) They may still be there in well hidden underground facilities...
(d) They may have actually destroyed the mass of the chemical and biological
weapons. They were nowhere close to nuclear weapons of their own
craft,
but it would not have been out of the question that they could have
purchased
a couple. Camels don't make the best delivery systems, but ??? Hans
Blix
could have been correct.

 

Aren't some of these areas located close to aboriginal lands???

I'm grown up and responsible enough to realize that the flip side of NIMBY
is NITBY (not in their back yard)...

Zero pollution was a mid 70s pipe dream.... all we can hope for is the
cleanest possible environment... and we will all have to "sign the
checque"...

 

If Iran is seriously on the path of nuclear weapons (and I think they are,
no matter
what they say), then somebody is going to have to either be the best damn
diplomat
ever, or somebody is going to have to pull the fangs of this beast.

If we do it, we further raise the hatred level against the USA. And this is
largely
our conflict because we shouldered ourself into it, long long ago.

Maybe we should suggest to Israel that we don't really have a dog in this
fight....Israel has the weapons to lay waste to everything in Iran, and all
those
countries already hate them...Let them protect their own backyard.

 

While I might not agree with everything the US does, I have to think of that
weed patch in my back yard..... with outside (my) intervention, it remains a
small weed patch.... I hate it and I deal with it as I can, but it
remains.....

If I didn't try anything at all, that small weed patch would soon own my
whole yard (which ain't the prettiest yard to begin with). SOMEBODY has to
stick their nose in somewhere and somehow.... To the extremists, the US is
todays target... simply because they are trying to put the lid back on
Pandora's box.... To the extremists, we are all "infidel dogs" and their
interpretation of the Koran has marked every Christian, every Buddhist,
every Jew.... and even every Scientologist as "expendable".

Still pissed that the Liberals lost, are you?

 

Choices are sometimes hard...Had we all dealt with Nazi Germany earlier,
maybe
a lot of the death and destruction that Hitler authored could have been
avoided.

In Vietnam, we were there to fight a war the politicians construed, where we
were not considered saviors but rather the enemy, and where we were not at
threat.

We have lost ground in our own hemisphere, with Cuba, Venezuela, Chile,
Peru,
Bolivia, and others leaning to the left.

We can't fight everybody. And our form of democracy is not everybody's cup
of
tea.

 

YA that's a good idea, we need Dimocrats in charge.. You think gas is
expensive now, I guess you don't remember Carters effort to control the
distribution to cut demand that led to the long gas lines, or Clintons 50C
gas tax and his 10% 'carbon tax' proposals designed to save the planet?
Obviously you forgot about 9/11


mike hunt

 

The gas prices went up beginning in 1973 under Nixon's watch. Nixon, like
Bush, was a Republican. The prices went up again at the end of Carter's
watch as a result, in part, of the Iran-Iraq war.

I am not suggesting that Carter's energy policy was good at all. Only that
gas prices went up under Republicans.

I did not know that 9/11 had anything to do with gas prices. That occurred
under a Republican President, following many security mistakes under both
Democrats and Republicans.

Jeff