Body Control Module 98 Caravan-problem?

And there's only so much a computer can tell you in a real-world
troubleshooting situation. But I guess we're into "replace this-or-that
black box" situation with these systems anyway. But still won't be a
whole lot of help in broken or intemittent wiring situations.

Bill Putney
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address with the letter 'x')

 

Bill Putney wrote:

intermittent

Bill Putney
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qaftermarket is already there and if someone wants to spend 400 grand they
can access everything with a laptop losing the scantool[/QUOTE]

400 grand?? What are you talking about?

 

that's not really true! a scantool can watch a sensor or function that occurs
and you can watch voltage ramp up higher than expected with a broken wire /open
circuit for that circuit or watch amperage ramp up with a corroded wire and
voltage drop or a outright failure of a blown fuse and record a fault code such
as can c and b do now and obd2
alot of times a failure in one black box will set a fault in another black box
but you need to be able to access them all to see that as in door modules and
instrument panels and abs and srs and tire pressure monitoring systems such a
way to see this is with the software i mentioned

 

oops 4k is that better

400 grand?? What are you talking about?[/QUOTE]

 

Your entire argument is based on the idea that changing the mileage
constitutes fraud because it affects the value of the vehicle.

You don't seem to understand that changing the mileage of a 250,000
mile car to 200,000 miles does not affect it's value because to Kelly
Blue Book, the warranty companies, and everyone else, a vehicle
is used up at 150K miles. (or 170K miles or whatever arbitrary
mileage cutoff they determine)

In other words, beyond a certain mileage it makes no difference
what the vehicle mileage is in terms of valuation of the vehicle. Thus,
you cannot committ fraud if you were to change the mileage of a
280K mile vehicle to 200K miles because it won't affect the value.

In any case, if you want to talk about fraud let's talk about who the
largest committers of vehicle resale fraud are. Vehicle dealers,
that's who:

http://info.insure.com/auto/Flood-damagedcars.htm

"...An estimated 500,000 cars were damaged by hurricanes last year.
Unfortunately, many of these vehicles have been purchased by
dishonest AUTO DEALERS, cleaned up and then sold, with their flood
damage history illegally hidden, according to the
Insurance Information Institute (I.I.I.)...."

Seems to me that unless Chrysler requires the BCM to be returned
and they plug it in and obtain the mileage from it, (in which case there's
no need for mileage figures to be written down on the paperwork
that is sent with it) before programming the new one, and they program
the new one ONLY to the mileage the pulled out of the old BCM, that
this is like having the fox in charge of the henhouse.

I don't see that changing the mileage on a high mileage car to another
high mileage figure is of any consequence or is fraudulent.

Ted

 

That's always your answer. In other words if you don't like abortion
since it's currently the rule to allow it, you would not consider any
discussion
to change it and would tell people arguing to change it to shut up and go
away.

Ted

 

Your assuming the operator of the software is a diagnostician and not a
parts-changer.

I've watched this kind of thing happen in my business, computer networks,
and there's so many parallels to the auto industry it's like the are the
same
industry. Every year the diagnostic software to find problems gets more and
more advanced, has more and more features, and in the hands of a competent
tech, can find problems faster and faster. However every year, the numbers
of competent techs shrink. The techs get lazy and figure that the software
is
so smart that they don't have to learn how the systems work anymore since
the
software will do it for them. And
the software gets so much more complex to use that it takes a lot longer to
learn how to use all the features, and so the techs once again get lazy and
just
learn to use a couple of features of the software and don't really take
advantage
of it.

In any case I really don't understand why the $4K software is required.
There's plenty of horsepower available in even the cheap embedded computers
today that the automakers should be able to put all the diagnostic stuff
right
in the car computer, and an Ethernet jack under the dash, and you plug
in your laptop, fire up a web browser, and access the car computer and
you have all the same stuff as you get from the $4K scanner.

Ted

 

First of all I'm not arguing. And this is my last reply on this. I simply
replied to the OP how the mileage has to be set into the BCM and stated
that was a guideline that we had to follow, you are the one that twisted
it into a "value of the vehicle" Once again, a little common sense is
needed on your last post about the dealers buying and selling used
vehicles.

Unscrupulous salvage operators and dealers often try to conceal the fact
that the vehicles they are selling have been damaged by a natural
disaster,

The word dealer...... Means just thatealer
Noun
1. Someone who purchases and maintains an inventory of goods to be sold.

2. A firm engaged in trading.

I cant find anywhere where it says NEW CAR DEALER?

Have a nice Christmas

Glenn

 

I just had the BCM replaced in a 1996 Granbd Voyager, and when I went
to pick it up, I noticed some different behavior and I was wondering if
you could give me some advice.

When I open the door the "dinging" goes off like I have my lights on
even though they are off.

When I start the car, turn the lights on then turn the car off--- I
turn off the lights and the parking lights stay on for a number of
minutes--- It used to be the head lights.


There are a couple of other things that are quirky, My question is
could the part be

installed incorrectly?
Programmed incorrectly?

I have more problems caused by the BCM going out

Thanks

Tom

 

I don't have the original thread but do see my last post stating that your
lucky that's the only problem you got. Did you swap out a BCM with another
vehicle or get this one thru Chrysler?

Glenn

 

I swapped it out with a new chrysler parg

 

well I didn't learn Parg in school , I have no idea what that means. If it
is from another vehicle that was swapped you may have caused more problems
then you had to begin with as I said before. And before you can continue to
repair the problem you will need to install the correct BCM and may also
have to replace any other module that has learned what the BCM requested.

Glenn

 

are there not laws that say that a vehicle's odometer actually has to be
accurate rather than some made-up number?....not arguing, just asking as i
don't live in usa.

 

My understanding is that the law recognizes that it is not always
technically practical to correct an odometer or computer that stores the
mileage (in fact you it makes it illegal to turn an odometer back) - so
rather than force you to scrap the car or put you in jail, it allows you
to sell it with the error as long as you disclose the error and the true
mileage to a potential buyer. I think most states (in the U.S.) allow
you to report the error on the title - in fact it may be required that
you do so.