Battery replacement issue (big one)

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by afx, Jul 14, 2007.

  1. afx

    Bill Putney Guest

    Unless the fusible link - which is in series with the diodes and nothing
    else - opened in time to keep the diodes from being destroyed.

    Bill Putney
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    address with the letter 'x')
     
    Bill Putney, Jul 16, 2007
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  2. afx

    Bill Putney Guest

    On this particular car, no. Cable goes directly to the negative jump
    post/main body ground on the right front strut tower (and is clearly
    labeled as the negative jump post). There is a heavy cable going off of
    that neg. jump post that - I think - goes to the starter. There are
    some braided grounding straps from the right fender well (approx. 6 or 8
    inches from the neg. jump post) going to the engine block.
    But, in this car, not directly. There is a main cable going to the
    positive jump post - the red thing shown in the OP's first photo. There
    are two other cables from that pos. jump post - one goes to starter, the
    third goes to everything else (except alternator/generator). The second
    (smaller) wire coming off the battery cable clamp is the hot wire to the
    alternator/gernator.


    Various systems have additional
    FWIW, the OP's replacement battery has the same post arrangement as the
    original battery - but he has it rotated 180°. Perhaps the previous
    battery had been installed backwards *OR* he made the change when he put
    this battery in, but failed to re-arrange the cables to the opposite end
    of the battery compartment.

    Bill Putney
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    address with the letter 'x')
     
    Bill Putney, Jul 16, 2007
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  3. The wiper controller is fried.

    Most of the electronics in the car will need DC-DC converters, 12V is
    much to high to high for modern electronics so the voltage has to be
    converted to something usable (in the mid 90's that was probably 3.3V).
    The DC to DC converter modules should be diode protected so most of your
    electronic modules are probably OK. However the fact that the wiper
    module is busted is a worrisome sign. It may be that the wiper module is
    a relic of the 60s that ran directly off of 12V which is why it didn't
    have any protection. The microprocessors in the car can't possible use
    12V so I would guess that they are OK. However I'm a computer engineer
    not an automotive electronics engineer so it's possible that I'm wrong.


    For future reference Red means HOT, Black means GROUND.
     
    General Schvantzkoph, Jul 16, 2007
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  4. Nothing concentrates the mind like the prospect of being hanged in the
    morning.

    Dr. Johnson


    Shorting a car battery can be fatal, the OP is very lucky that he got off
    with only a burned hand. When something is a life or death matter you
    check and the check again. I can see how a professional mechanic might
    get blase about batteries because they do it every day, but an amateur
    should treat the thing like it's a landmine. I've always gotten my
    replacement batteries at Sears, you leave the car for an hour, go to the
    food court and get an Orange Julius, and come back when it's done.
     
    General Schvantzkoph, Jul 16, 2007
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    Steve Guest

    Hmmmm.... sounds like I may have forgotten a good story... ;-)
     
    Steve, Jul 18, 2007
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    Joe Pfeiffer Guest

    It started with, "it has to be in Drive when setting the idle speed,
    right?" and went downhill rapidly from there.
     
    Joe Pfeiffer, Jul 18, 2007
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    Simon Guest

    lol...beat me to it...it's not the volts that kill you, it's the amps. i was
    working on a 24 volt (2 12volt batteries) electric wheelchair once and i
    hadn't noticed the owner had put a non-standard plug on the charger cable.
    it had exposed prongs and it touched the metal frame....wow....fireworks
    and the plug welded itself to the frame while burning a hole in it...and
    this was heavy gauge chromed steel...and that was only a 100 amps system...

    as you say, 700 amps can create quite a show.
     
    Simon, Mar 1, 2009
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  8. afx

    Bill Putney Guest

    Since areas of the body have a characteristic resistance, because of
    Ohm's law (for a given resistance, voltage and current are
    proportional), I've always thought that was an extremely ignorant cliché
    - a way for semi-technical people to try to impress non-technical
    people, when in reality it shows ignorance (to the truly technical
    person). Either the person making the statement is ignorant of Ohm's
    law or its implications, or hasn't thought the meaning of the statement
    thru before making it. In reality it also comes down to what the
    impedance of the source of the voltage and current is (resistor divider
    effect), but on its face, the cliché shows ignorance.
     
    Bill Putney, Mar 1, 2009
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