Battery replacement issue (big one)

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by afx, Jul 14, 2007.

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    afx Guest

    My wife's 1998 Concorde 3.2l was shutting down every once in a while
    and the battery was kind of old so I went over to walmart and got a
    MAXX-34s battery, I put it in and right when I put the negative
    terminal on it started spewing sparks (burned the hell out of my
    hand). I pulled the cable out and it stopped, now I had replaced the
    negative terminal connector just then with a new one. I noticed the
    auxiliary cable felt like it was severed and sure enough it was right
    in the middle of the green wire. Now I'm clueless on what else to do,
    I put the negative cable to the terminal just to see what it would do
    and the windshield wipers came on and wouldn't turn off, no fireworks
    this time but the windshield wiper thing bothers me.


    Any help would be appreciated!


    Ill update with some pictures in a minute.
     
    afx, Jul 14, 2007
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    Steve B. Guest

    Are you sure you hooked it back up correctly? What you describe
    sounds like a battery that was hooked up backwards. If it isn't
    backwards then the positive cable is shorted on something.

    Steve B.
     
    Steve B., Jul 14, 2007
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    afx Guest

    Thats exactly what I thought it sounded like, but the thing is I put
    the battery cables on just like the old battery had them on, the weird
    thing I was thinking of was the negative cable connected to the left
    side of that red post that the positive connects to the other side, is
    that correctly done? Maybe the old battery just didnt have enough
    juice to give this reaction?
     
    afx, Jul 14, 2007
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    afx Guest

    And would you know why the windshield wipers wont turn off? is that
    because the auxiliary wire was severed?
    Thanks for the help!
     
    afx, Jul 14, 2007
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    Ken Weitzel Guest

    Hi afx...

    Not a mechanic, an old retired electrical guy...

    You are aware that batteries are available with the positive
    and negative posts in the opposite physical positions, aren't
    you?

    Didn't say that at all well, so.... put the postive cable on the
    positive post, and the neg on neg, even if the battery posts aren't
    in the same positions on the battery.

    I'm willing to bet you a dollar against a stale donut that you've
    reversed them.

    Take care.

    Ken
     
    Ken Weitzel, Jul 14, 2007
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    afx Guest

    Haha, Thanks for the reply Ken, Im a computer tech, not a car guy :) I
    can just usually plug the two together for answers. I took some
    pictures. Lemme upload em.
     
    afx, Jul 15, 2007
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    Bill Putney Guest

    Negative = black; positive = red (the opposite of the convention used in
    economics).

    Bill Putney
    (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
    address with the letter 'x')
     
    Bill Putney, Jul 15, 2007
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    afx Guest

    here are the pics.


    http://s208.photobucket.com/albums/bb11/afxtwn/?action=view&current=IMAGE_006.jpg
    pic of the cables in general including the thick black one I replaced
    that I connected to negative.

    http://s208.photobucket.com/albums/bb11/afxtwn/?action=view&current=IMAGE_007.jpg
    Auxiliary cable that got severed

    http://s208.photobucket.com/albums/bb11/afxtwn/?action=view&current=IMAGE_008.jpg
    Picture of the positive battery terminal on the positive side of the
    battery.


    Hope this helps!
     
    afx, Jul 15, 2007
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    Joe Pfeiffer Guest

    As Bill said, black is negative, red is positive. That's the positive
    side; on my wife's '00 Intrepid, there's a black cover over it
    labelled "BATTERY + JUMP START" in bright yellow. Didn't yours have
    that cover?
    Looks like a fusible link that failed due to high current. A moment
    of silence, please: that fusible link gave its life to try to save the
    car's electronics.
    I can't make out any markings that help me to guess what's going on
    here. I see you put red felt under the cable; I can't see any
    markings telling that that that's really the positive side. Your
    camera seems to have decided the battery strap and something in a
    sheath were more interesting than the battery, and focussed on them.

    So... if I'm reading what you've said correctly, and I'm looking at
    the photos correctly, you hooked up the battery backwards. There is
    at least one toasted fusible link, and that positive battery lead in
    the first picture doesn't look good either.

    I don't even want to think about what might have happened to the
    various computers, radios, etc wandering around the vehicle. Good
    luck...
     
    Joe Pfeiffer, Jul 15, 2007
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    afx Guest

    Well the markings on the first picture have a negative on it so im
    sure thats the negative side, if that black cable connected to the red
    post is a negative cable then I did it right.


    Here is whats confusing me, I just put in a new battery, I didnt
    change anything else out, the car started fine before I put the new
    batt in.
     
    afx, Jul 15, 2007
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    afx Guest





    So is it still a consensus that I put it on backwards? The cable on
    the last picture is red so I figure it to be a positive.

    To answer your cap question, about 5 years ago she took it to Sams to
    have a new batt put in. They didnt know how to do it so they butchered
    the hell out of the whole area braking caps and whatnot so I dont have
    any caps left :(
     
    afx, Jul 15, 2007
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    aarcuda69062 Guest

    That's just it, that is NOT the negative cable, it's the positive
    cable. You connected the battery backwards, and like Joe said,
    one can only wonder how much damage was caused.
    Uh, yeah, because you hooked it (the new battery) up backwards.
     
    aarcuda69062, Jul 15, 2007
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    aarcuda69062 Guest

    I guarantee that you hooked it up backwards.
    Cables come in all sorts of colors. You may notice that the fuse
    link that failed is connected to a red wire. hmmm...
    Thank Chrysler for putting safe guards on their vehicles,
    otherwise you'd be posting with a face full of battery acid.
     
    aarcuda69062, Jul 15, 2007
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    afx Guest

    gocha, going to check on what I did manana.
     
    afx, Jul 15, 2007
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    aarcuda69062 Guest

    Anyway, sorry that this is likely going to cost you hundreds if
    not thousands of dollars.
    On the bright side, you've convinced me to up my labor charge for
    installing batteries.
    What ever you do, DON'T buy a Mercedes!
     
    aarcuda69062, Jul 15, 2007
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    Joe Pfeiffer Guest

    That red post is to put a positive cable on.
     
    Joe Pfeiffer, Jul 15, 2007
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    afx Guest

    I appreciate that. /sarcasm
     
    afx, Jul 15, 2007
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    Ron Seiden Guest

    Umm, generally red is the positive terminal and black is the negative,
    regardless of where they are on the battery. No matter what, every auto
    battery has a "+" and "-" marked next to the relevant terminals. Forget
    about "doing like it used to look" -- just do it right.

    If you did connect it backwards, there's a chance you've fried the
    electronic brain (which would explain the weird behavior)....
     
    Ron Seiden, Jul 15, 2007
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    Glenn O'Connor, Jul 15, 2007
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    Henry Bemis Guest

    Hee hee! I did this once (and only once!). It was on my 56 Chevy. Dang thing
    started up and the only clue it was backwards was the 8 track chewed the sh*t
    out of my Arlo Guthrie tape from Columbia House!
    Daddy always said, if you don't know how......PAY the man!
     
    Henry Bemis, Jul 15, 2007
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