Bankruptcy and Reorganization for Detroit?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by edward ohare, Nov 23, 2008.

  1. edward ohare

    marcodbeast Guest

    No, just the claim. =)
    "In addition, a surcharge is levied on the basic tax on income and wealth at
    rates ranging from 5% to 395%."
     
    marcodbeast, Nov 24, 2008
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  2. edward ohare

    marcodbeast Guest

    A ridiculous lie.

    As far as a tax on
    Opposites day! lol
     
    marcodbeast, Nov 24, 2008
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  3. edward ohare

    marcodbeast Guest

    HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW
     
    marcodbeast, Nov 24, 2008
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  4. edward ohare

    Brent P Guest

    I think it's beyond your abilities. I suggest you learn what national
    socialism is by generic definition instead of relying on whatever
    fiction you believe. The use of 'left wing' was merely an attempt on my
    part to have you understand by trying to fit it into the terms the
    typical binary thinking american can grasp because they were taught that
    nazism = national socialism = right wing, which of course is so
    simplistic as to be very misleading. I would suggest looking at both
    words separately. What nationalism is and what socialism is.

    Maybe you're young enough to do compulsory service for your country, for
    the good of your country as Obama so said he wishes to implement while
    his economic team redistributes the wealth 'around'. This is supposed
    to be "change" from rallying around the flag and 'supporting the
    troops' while GWB's team redistributed the wealth 'around'.

    'around'=those with the proper political connections.

    nationalism + socialism = national socialism. It's very simple.
     
    Brent P, Nov 24, 2008
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  5. edward ohare

    Brent P Guest

    the dubious source goes on: Thus, the totals of basic tax, communal tax,
    and surcharges results in the national tax due. Corporations pay income
    tax at a rate of 7.5% to 15%.
     
    Brent P, Nov 24, 2008
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  6. edward ohare

    Brent P Guest

    Such grand arguments you have, they amount to nothing at all. I suggest
    you read up on who wrote the federal reserve act. Hint: they didn't set
    up the monetary and credit system to benefit anyone but themselves and
    they weren't poor people.
     
    Brent P, Nov 24, 2008
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  7. edward ohare

    marcodbeast Guest

    "National Socialism" was an actual political party with an actual history.


    The use of 'left wing' was merely an attempt on
    Actually, that second 'equals' should be 'is a subset of' for your
    statement to be correct. While all Nazis are right wing, all right wingers
    are not Nazis. At least, not while anyone's watching. ;)


    I would suggest looking at both
    Went though that about 1996 or thereabouts,.after running into right wing
    k00khauses that try to pass the Nazis off as lefties.

    Funny, the "National Socialists" jailed real socialists. What now?
     
    marcodbeast, Nov 24, 2008
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  8. edward ohare

    Brent P Guest

    the horse's mouth:
    http://www.liechtenstein.li/en/elie...euern/fl-wuf-steuern-natuerliche_personen.htm

    "Assuming a municipal tax surcharge of 200%, the minimum and maximum tax
    rates are as follows: at least 0.162% and at most 0.8505% for asset tax;
    at least 3.24% and at most 17.01% for income tax."

    That's the bottom line. All the other figures are based on their 'tax
    unit' various screwy methods of calculation that appear only to be
    riveled by cook county IL property taxes.
     
    Brent P, Nov 24, 2008
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  9. edward ohare

    Brent P Guest

    There have also been 'socialist' and 'communist' political parties where
    there particular implementations do change the meaning of the words.
    Read it again clueless. I was describing what people are taught in US
    government schools, not what is reality. I quite clearly state that such
    a teaching is misleading. Do try to read for understanding.

    Like I figured, you're caught up in left-right nonsense.
    As if what was done in one impelementation changes anything. Socialists
    jail other socialists, what's your point? Centralized power has to jail
    its opposition when ever it can, it's the nature of the beast. How much
    or how little they differ in idealogy is irrelevant. Democrats and
    Republicans are barely different in idealogy in the US of A yet they
    attack each other frequently to the point of being jailed in some cases.
     
    Brent P, Nov 24, 2008
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  10. edward ohare

    marcodbeast Guest

    Yes, and how much total?

    http://wikitravel.org/en/Lichtenstein

    "Low business taxes - the maximum tax rate is 20% - and easy incorporation
    rules have induced a large number of holding or so-called letter box
    companies to establish nominal offices in Liechtenstein, providing 30% of
    state revenues."

    Clearly a revenue model that could be exported everywhere. =)
     
    marcodbeast, Nov 24, 2008
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  11. edward ohare

    Brent P Guest

    Heaven forbid, prosperity for people instead of enslavement to criminals
    who run governments.
     
    Brent P, Nov 24, 2008
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  12. edward ohare

    Lloyd Guest

    Calling taxes theft just shows how radical, out on the fringe you are.
    Corporations don't pay income taxes if they lose money.
    VAT isn't consumption. And most European countries have both VAT and
    some income tax.
    Yeah, they can choose to not buy shelter, clothes, food, gas,
    education for their children. The wealthy can choose to not buy that
    yacht or jet or vacation to Monte Carlo.
    You might note, every company pays income taxes on their US operations
    -- Toyota, Honda, etc. It's not just the Detroit Big 3.
     
    Lloyd, Nov 24, 2008
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  13. edward ohare

    marcodbeast Guest

    I wasn't aware that was possible. =)

    Nope.


    not what is reality. I quite clearly state that
    Just used to seeing the term abused by folks who use all the same
    ideological keywords you do. ;)

    "There have also been 'socialist' and 'communist' political parties
    where there particular implementations do change the meaning of the
    words."

    Make up my mind, will ya? ;)
     
    marcodbeast, Nov 24, 2008
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  14. edward ohare

    Lloyd Guest

    It says you pay from 23% to 413% on income, plus a tax on your
    wealth. Plus a capital gains tax, motor vehicle tax, estate tax, VAT,
    and gift tax.
     
    Lloyd, Nov 24, 2008
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  15. edward ohare

    Brent P Guest

    It is what it is. 'taxing' people to pay citibank and others is theft.
    Just that government held the gun for the people they gave the money to.
    If they lose money they won't be making product for very long.
    Value Added Tax. You don't pay it unless you buy (consume) something.
    Or maybe a chemistry professor could choose not to drive a mercedes?
    Anyway, a tax on buying stuff is only slightly less vile than an income
    tax. It is quite possible to manage ones expenses such that one pays
    very little tax based on his consumption. What your real objection is
    amounts to the loss of how progressive income taxes allow for the
    engineering of society by control freaks. Sadly what you fail to realize
    is those control freaks in charge of the whole mess are those very very
    wealthy people who can buy a government. Maybe you noticed how
    goldman-sachs is getting its money's worth from Obama.
    Which is irrelevant to the answer to your question.
     
    Brent P, Nov 24, 2008
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  16. edward ohare

    Brent P Guest

    It's the same thing. Read it again. You ain't worth the time.
     
    Brent P, Nov 24, 2008
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  17. edward ohare

    Ernie Jurick Guest

    They were terribly conflicted. :)
    -- Ernie
     
    Ernie Jurick, Nov 24, 2008
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  18. edward ohare

    Bert Hyman Guest

    Just getting rid of any competition.
     
    Bert Hyman, Nov 24, 2008
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  19. edward ohare

    Bill Putney Guest

    Not much substance there is there? (rhetorical question) Unfortunately
    that's the mentality that will be running things.
     
    Bill Putney, Nov 24, 2008
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  20. edward ohare

    Dave Head Guest

    Well, not if we repeal the 16th amendment.
     
    Dave Head, Nov 24, 2008
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