Bailout blues?

What does you comment have to do with the fact that in 2009 ALL of the
foreign manufactures TRUCK SALES COMBINED, accounted for less than 10% of
the total truck MARKET in the US

 

It is a marvel isn't it. I too have never understood the glee that
some American's get when something happens that hurts Unions or their
dismay when there is news of a Union worker getting something. Why do
some Americans hate to see some other group of American's doing well?

 

You mean at other people's expense as to to the damage to other people
who have to live in the same resulting economy - like the carve-out on
Cadillac healthcare plans' punishing tax penalties that's being
negotiated - is that what you mean by one "group...doing well"? Yeah I
think the Democrats are getting ready to find out just how dismayed
Americans really are (at that and the Louisiana and Nebraska deals in
order to buy votes that screw the other guy).

Let's see - another group - people in Congress who won't have to live
under the same rules that they're wanting to put the non-political class
under? Yeah - I can't imagine why people get upset at that group "doing
well" in that regard.

 

It is know as envy. They are envious of the higher wages, better benefits,
pensions better and safer working conditions that Union have CREATED in the
US. They should be thankful that some of those benefits create by the
Unions, have gravitated down to jobs.

Before the United Mine Workers started the first Union in eastern Pa., they
worked 12 hours a day, six days a week, and a average of three men a month
were killed at work. When they got injured at work they had to walk home
for their wife to take care of them. The only time the company would take
them hose was if they were killed. Then they would leave the body on the
porch. Average take home pay $2 a week.

If you don't thing that is true, do a search of "The Molly Maguires"

 

American unions sold out American workers... get over it. Taxing all
people coast to cost for GM screw ups is insane greed.

Bet Brown wins 57%. Know the seat he is getting was die hard democrat
for over 46 years.

Most people know GM, Chrylser and banks was pure corruption. And people
should never be taxed by corporations, which is what Obama and democrats
have done.

We all are pissed as this perservsion. It is not American to steal from
others. Screw the unions that supported this corruption.

 

Once again our friend Canuk57 is telling us the sky is falling LOL

 

I'd rather walk then buy a Furd!

 

My oh my, your sure hate the Demos.
Not buying the vehicle you feel is the best buy for you, because that
company was bailed out, is called "cutting off your nose in spite of
your face".

 

Someone speaks the truth and decides to make personal decisions based on
principle, and therefore you say they hate the Dems. Brilliant.

And the expression is "cutting off your nose to spite your face". You
don't even understand the clichés you use. No surprise that you
wouldn't recognize fraud when you see it.

 

Is that at all related to the old expression "cutting off
your nose to spite your face"?

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My oh my, your sure hate the Demos.
Not buying the vehicle you feel is the best buy for you,
because that
company was bailed out, is called "cutting off your nose in
spite of
your face".

 

I've not had a Ford car, but based on the reported high quality of their
Fusion and other models with a similar drive train, the newer Ford FWD
models would have to be be on my short list for a new car.

 

Certainly the unions had become too strong, but they are necessary to
protect the workers from the companies.
What is needed is for unions and management to work together for the
good of the company. Being at war benefits neither side.

 

buy a Mazda.....same thing

 

Not unless they price their parts reasonably these days. I owned a
Mazda about 10 years ago. The parts prices were outrageously high.
Things like motor mounts and ignition switches that cost $35 (including
on a Cadillac that I owned at the same time) cost over $200 each for the
Mazda - and there was nothing exotic or unique at all about the Mazda
parts other than they were made to fit a Mazda.

 

What is needed is for unions and management to work together for the good of
the company. Being at war benefits neither side."

Union are not to strong. It just the opposite. Many unions have merged to
try and keep the numbers up due to losing membership. Membership reduction
is a result of lost jobs not because the unions and companies could not work
together. Many of theses jobs were shipped South of the border after NFTA
was signed in to law and some were sent overseas to third world countries
and to China.

If the US continues to ship manufacturing jobs overseas then the US will be
reduced to nothing. We will only have service industry type jobs. Jobs
like Wal-Mart were you may only work part time without benefits.

Unions have a purpose. They insist on safe work places and not just
benefits and wages. You should thank a union for helping keep your salary
where it is. Companies don't care about you are I only that they make a
profit and the share holder gets his dividend. They would cut your salary
or reduce the number of workers to unsafe levels if the unions would not be
there.

Do I agree with everything Union? No. I am against Cap and Trade, and I am
against Health Care Reform in its present form. I don't won't government
run health care. I only see the cost going up with that option. Try
government run home owners insurance. My premiums tripled under government
run homeowners and I never made a claim during the last 20 years. Yet my
insurance company decided to bail out and I was stuck with the state run
homeowners at triple the cost. I pay more for insurance then my house note
is. I see that same thing happening if we get government run health care.

Many folks are anti union because they never worked in a union shop. All
they hear is anti union propaganda. Try to keep an open mind and understand
unions are not all about money. Its about protecting the worker. Wages and
benefits is secondary to workers safety.

Yes when times are good the unions want more but I bet if your company made
18 or 20 percent return on its investment you would want more also. You
know the CEO going to get his regardless if the company makes money or not.

A union is not just the leaders but its members. As a Union leader, when
members ask what is the union doing, I reply what are you doing. I not the
union we are.

Union Proud

Licker

 

Union's HAD a place in the PAST. They grew to powerful. They would
rather get at much STUFF as they can and who cares about the Company it's
self. This is why jobs have been lost. The U.S. can't compete. There's
like $2000 extra in costs per Car/Truck just to cover Union Costs. The
Benefits are crazy, in the real world, the rest of US, we work our butts
off for far less. The Auto Company's are put over a barrel, it's the
Union way or Strike once again. After so much of that crap, it's screw the
Union and leave the U.S. and your job is now forever GONE. It's not coming
back, especially now. GM should have been GONE, or broken up, not
Government Bailout just because of the Unions. As a long time Chevy owner,
my latest a 03 Silverado, I WON'T buy a Government Motors truck EVER!!!
Never a big fan, but maybe next time FORD, or sorry to say, a Toyota. I
Prefer to buy U.S made products, have a Harley also, but the prices are just
crazy.

Unions are NOT needed these days. If you don't like the PAY, you don't
have to work there, find someplace else. There's OSHA to cover safety.
Gezz and people people wonder WHY? Jobs are leaving the country left and
right to never come back again. High Union costs, and High Taxes. Since
the Democrats like that so much, things will continue like they have been
with Jobs fleeing this country. You can be a happy UNION employee
complaining about having NO JOB. I just heard in fact another 5 Factory's
in the U.S. I think for Toyota closing down here shortly. I feel like a
SLAVE working my ASS off getting raped in Taxes to give to those that sit on
there ASS all day playing games, smoking dope, and sleeping in housing and
eating the food I'm paying for. The bottom 40% of people that pay ZERO
federal taxes. Yep, there's SLAVERY right now.. Should be a FLAT TAX,
everyone pay THE SAME. None of this I want it, it's FREE for me, it's not
because it's costing someone else, or in Dept more to CHINA. Yep, the U.S.
is becoming a bigger and bigger SLAVE to China. Every time we go back over
there asking for more money, they're laughing at US. What's the Democrat
plan? Is it to Spend so much as to Bankrupt the Country, make the Dollar
worthless, not have to pay China or anyone else back, and start all over???
Turn the U.S. into a 3rd world country because they feel guilty that the
U.S. has so much, and uses to many resources?!?! Obama has spent in one
year more then BUSH in his 8 and all the rest of the Presidents in the U.S.
from the very first Washington all the way up!!! ONE YEAR, there's at least
another 3 to go. One can only hope he's now slowed down a bit since he no
longer has full control of everything. I'm sure he'll find away around it
with his corrupt Chicago ways. People need to wake up!!!! Even I didn't
think OBAMA was THIS Radical. We have a President and a bunch of people
in congress that think the Constitution is a Inconvenient!!!

 

"JBDragon" We agree with every thing you said about the President. I do not
support that agenda. Unions do care about the company. They know that
without the company they would not have a job. They do get good benefits
and wages. They get this when the company is doing good. If the company is
doing poor they do not demand a 10 percent raise or strike. You have know
idea what unions are really about.

By the way you mentioned buying Toyota. Here is a link to Union made
vehicles: http://www.uaw.org/uawmade/auto/2010/index.cfm There is one
union made truck on there.

By the way look up the history of OSHA and you will find that it was started
because Unions demanded a safer place. The problem with OSHA today is they
do not enforce the laws until something happens. They are reactive and not
proactive. This was one of the things that was cited in the Baker report
after the BP explosion in Texas City. That is why they are finally stepping
up enforcement at refineries across the nation. One refinery in my area was
cited for 10 serious violations as resulted of theses audits. They were
fined 78 thousand dollars and they appealed they fines. They settled for 48
thousand and from what I here they are still doing the same thing. OSHA is
useless without an administration that is going to back it up and demand
they provide workers with a safe place to work.

 

every ford hood i open has Mazda engines underneath. on the small new
econoboxes anyway.

some of the older Lincolns had the 3.9 L jaguar in them too.

 

Get real. The Fusion was a Ford in house design, from the get go. If
anything Mazda used Ford design concepts.

 

So the question still remains: With their sharing parts with Ford, are
parts for Mazda's still outrageously expensive (i.e., what should cost
$35 costs $200) like it was a decade ago?