Analysts question Iacocca in Chrysler ads

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by MoPar Man, Jul 8, 2005.

  1. MoPar Man

    MoPar Man Guest

    http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D8B6PEK81.htm?campaign_id=apn_home_down

    Analysts question Iacocca in Chrysler ads
    July 7, 2005

    DaimlerChrysler AG's Chrysler Group was still finalizing details of
    the $75 million ad campaign Thursday, spokesman Jason Vines said. But
    the ads, featuring Iacocca and actor Jason Alexander of Seinfeld fame,
    already have been filmed and are expected to air soon. Iacocca and
    Alexander tout Chrysler's new discount program, which allows consumers
    to buy vehicles at the employee rate through Aug. 1.

    Vines defended the choice of the 80-year-old Iacocca, saying even his
    13-year-old daughter had heard of the industry icon who saved Chrysler
    from bankruptcy before retiring in 1992. Iacocca appeared in memorable
    ads throughout the 1980s with the signature tag line, "If you can find
    a better car, buy it" a line Alexander delivers in the current ads.

    [Interesting they're using CocoNuts as a prop, and having Kastanza
    deliver the line. Might as well slap CocaNuts in the face at the same
    time.]

    Vines said company tests found consumers of all ages responded
    positively to Iacocca. The former chairman and chief executive has
    appeared frequently in ads since his Chrysler days, including campaign
    pitches for President Bush in 2000 and ads for his Olivio Premium
    Products, which makes olive oil-based spread.

    "He is a guy that brought a company back, not a guy that brought a
    company down. That's legend, true legend" Vines said.

    Bradley Johnson, an editor at large of Advertising Age magazine, said
    using Iacocca gives Chrysler much-needed attention after it lagged in
    the employee-discount game. General Motors Corp. began offering an
    employee discount June 1, and its sales climbed 41 percent last month.
    Ford Motor Co. launched a similar deal Tuesday, the day before
    Chrysler.

    "I think Chrysler made a brilliant decision" Johnson said. "Chrysler
    has to find a way back, and it's brought back an icon to sell the
    cars."

    Paul Ostasiewski, an assistant professor of marketing at Wheeling
    Jesuit University in West Virginia, said Chrysler's options were
    limited. American consumers likely wouldn't respond to Chrysler's
    German chairman, Dieter Zetsche {Ha! Damn right they don't] and its
    last attempt to use a celebrity spokeswoman -- singer Celine Dion --
    quickly bombed, Ostasiewski said.

    "Who do you have to represent you in this case? There are very few
    people who would fit the mold" he said.

    Still, Ostasiewski said Iacocca likely won't pull in the young viewers
    automakers covet. Other analysts agreed. "You would have to explain
    who he is to a lot of people under the age of 35" said Michael
    Bernacchi, a professor of marketing at the University of Detroit
    Mercy.

    On the other hand, Bernacchi said, people in their early 50s have the
    greatest amount of income in America right now, and Chrysler knows
    it. [Yea? Well why are they building pimp-mobiles for that
    demographic then?]

    "Those folks know who Iacocca is and have the resources to buy those
    vehicles" Bernacchi said.

    [Resources? To by _those_ vehicles? They're the ones buying Audi and
    BMW or Jags. Sorry, any self-respecting upper middle class wasp
    isin't fooled by a car line that starts at around $20k. Chrysler
    missed their chance to build a car model for that demographic. The
    Crossfire is not it, and neither is the Viper, and the SRT-8 is still
    an ugly pimp mobile]

    Both GM and Ford said Thursday they had no plans to add a celebrity
    pitchman to the campaigns promoting their employee discounts [who
    would the use anyways?]. GM's ads feature company employees, while
    family-run Ford welcomes customers to join the Ford family.

    Chrysler has scooped up some coveted street cred in recent months,
    with the Chrysler 300C appearing in a Snoop Dogg video and rapper 50
    Cent angling for a Dodge Charger [I rest my case]. The momentum has
    prompted some observers to question Chrysler's decision to feature
    former boss Lee Iacocca -- an octogenarian and inventor of the minivan
    -- in its new ads.

    "Iacocca will resonate with people 40 and over, the Baby Boomers, but
    he won't necessarily resonate with those 40 and under" said Rebecca
    Lindland, senior analyst at Global Insight Inc., a consulting firm.
    "It depends on who they're trying to attract. But their vehicles say
    Gen X. They're all about hip, cool, retro-looking things."

    ['things' is right. People with $$$ don't buy 'things'.]
     
    MoPar Man, Jul 8, 2005
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  2. MoPar Man

    tedm Guest

    The folks Chrysler is aiming this campaign at probably don't remember
    that
    so-called memorable line.
    Pure poppycock. Chrysler's done making 2005 vehicles, what is out
    there
    now is just inventory that needs to be unloaded.

    All they are trying to do is play a big game of chicken with the buying
    public. Remember last year? When the 2005 models came out there were
    brisk
    sales for the first couple of months, then everything tanked. There
    were
    places still trying to get rid of 2004 models in December, and when
    the remaining 2004 models finally got really cut to the bone, then
    suddenly
    there was a big spike.

    What they are afraid of is people looking for 2005 models just hanging
    back
    and waiting for the real closeout sales at the end of the year. GM
    figured
    this out, since GM has got such bad press lately, that quite a lot of
    bargain
    hunters figured correctly that GM products were undervalued, and when
    the end of year closeouts came, GM would have a huge overstock of
    inventory
    and would it would be a real bloodbath. So, they did their campaign
    and
    the bargain hunters blinked, and there was a stampede.

    This isn't a way to build a brand long term or create brand loyalty,
    by definition the people your selling to only care about getting the
    cheapest of what there is. So much for finding a way back.
    Those people can't afford $20K cars anyway.
    Exactly. Chrysler isn't shooting for the over 50 crowd that has money.
    They are shooting for the 35-50 demographic that wants to think they
    have money but really doesen't.
    The young crowd who want hip cool retro can't afford new cars. The
    older
    crowd as you say are too busy buying Beemers. Chrysler wants the
    crowd in between - my generation - who mostly is still raising kids and
    are stuck in the assistant manager/VP/etc. positions waiting for the
    50-and-over crowd that is above us in the career ladder to retire and
    get out, so we can get their positions and money.

    This is actually rather a difficult demographic for advertisers,
    the 40-50 crowd. Think back of when this crowd was in their 20's,
    that decade was the 1980's, which had as it's defining moment, the
    destruction of a huge liberal progressive agenda by Ronald Regan.
    Ronnie was put into office by the generation that's 60-70 now and
    that generation had little in common with us back then, and absolutely
    nothing whatsoever in common with us today.

    So you can pity the poor advertiser, trying to put together a campaign
    to reach people in my generation. There's not a single thing that
    happened throughout the 80's that any of us liked, save perhaps that
    is the decade that most of us got our first lay, and during what
    should have been our glory decade of our lives, society gave us
    absolutely nothing, and we didn't even have a war to protest. We spent
    our glory decade navel-staring, playing video games, and waiting for
    the conservative revolution to flame out, which we had to depend on
    the next generation to do for us in 1992.

    And in any case, the 40-50 year old generation (I detest the title
    GenX)
    just missed out on everythng fun. The generation immediately before us
    got the ground floor of the PC computer revolution and got to retire
    on yachts, or at least lose more money in high tech startup stock
    options
    than most people will make their lives. The generation before that
    one got Disco and all the meaningless one night stands they could
    ever want, and the generation before them got free love, mate swapping,
    a great war to protest, and all the dobies they could smoke. And
    the generation that came after us got the intense pleasure of taking
    all the hipocritical conservatives and pulling their pants down
    by rubbing Bush Sr.'s nose in the dirt, and again
    with the 96 reelection of one of the most hated (by the religious
    right)
    politicians this century, and the generation that followed them and
    is in it's glory days right now has the largest library of free music
    and movies in the history of history, at the touch of a button and
    the help of illegal filesharing software.

    Our generation, by contrast, got Molly Ringwald, without even the poor
    consolation of a few nudie pics of her floating around. And how are
    you
    going to design an advertising campaign around that? No wonder they
    went to Iacocca!

    Ted
     
    tedm, Jul 8, 2005
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  3. MoPar Man

    Joe Guest

    Say what? I thought they bought lots of things. They play golf, how hard
    could it be to sell stuff to them?
     
    Joe, Jul 9, 2005
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  4. MoPar Man

    bcrowell Guest

    "...the destruction of a huge liberal progressive agenda by Ronald
    Regan."

    Learn to spell. It's "Reagan", not "Regan".

    And THANK GOD we destroyed that liberal agenda. Listen, if you
    liberals want to spend YOUR OWN money on cockamamie, harebrained
    schemes to repair social problems, that's fine, but don't force me to
    contribute. You have absolutely no evidence that throwing money at
    these problems will remedy them, and you insist that I take it on
    faith, just because you say it will. Well, I don't think you know what
    you're talking about. I think you just want to throw money at these
    problems because it will make you feel better, and because it's not
    your money that you'll be throwing at it; it's MY money, because you
    pay virtually nothing in taxes.
     
    bcrowell, Jul 13, 2005
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  5. "Conservatives", on the other hand, have absolutely no evidence that
    folding our hands and praying to Jesus will remedy any problems, and you
    insist we take it on faith, just because you say it will.
     
    Daniel J. Stern, Jul 13, 2005
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  6. MoPar Man

    Dan Guest

    But with the conservative model, we taxpayers get to keep more of our
    money. The problems never seem to go away, no matter what happens.
     
    Dan, Jul 13, 2005
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  7. MoPar Man

    Joe Guest

    And let's not forget that human nature is far more compatible with a sound
    motivational environment. Expecting people to behave in a way that's not in
    their nature is the act of a crazy man.

    This is changing the subject, but you'd have to be pretty blind to claim
    there was no evidence that God actively solves problems. And that's the root
    of it. You can complain all you want, but you can't actually change that.
    While religious people can easily understand the goals and impact of any
    secular program, I don't think there's any way the reverse can be true. If
    you think it's true, you don't understand the question.
     
    Joe, Jul 14, 2005
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  8. No you don't you just think you do.

    If you don't fund enough cops then the crime rate increases, which means
    more
    theft, which even if you don't directly suffer it yourself, the retailers do
    and they
    raise prices so we all pay. Do you know how much is lost due to identity
    theft
    nowadays? Are you really naieve enough to think that the banks don't pass
    that
    cost on to you?

    Same thing happens when you fund prisons instead of treatment programs for
    druggies, it just pushes the costs elsewhere. Just because they are pushed
    under
    the rug doesen't mean you aren't paying them.

    And the other thing is that it wasn't a Democrat who was responsible for
    jacking
    up the budget deficit and national debt. Seems to me last time around the
    last
    liberal in office had a surplus, and if we hadn't elected a conservative
    then
    we would have been well on our way to paying off the debts incurred by
    Reagan.

    So far on the national scene, the major conservatives seem to be of the
    do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do crowd. From Nixon lying about burgling in
    Watergate, to Reagan lying aobut secret funding of contras, to Newt
    Gingrich's adultery, to Karl Rove outing a CIA operative. And the
    current one in there and his scrubbing the record of his so-called
    military service.

    In the US the liberals are the reasonable ones, the conservatives
    are the off-the-deep-end ones. If you really want to see off-the-deep-end
    liberalism, go to Britian where the government actually pays for the living
    of people who blow up the subway system.

    Ted
     
    Ted Mittelstaedt, Jul 16, 2005
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