ABS Pump

Mine is making that groanin sound when you brake. Shop says
perfromance/safety of the ABS system is not compromised. But they say a
new pump is $700.

Comments?

 

Is this vehicle even a Chrysler?

My crystal ball shorted out last week I can no longer wave my hands over it
and magically divine the model and year of anonymous vehicles on Usenet.

Ted

 

Sarcasm, right? 8^)

Bill Putney
(to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with "x")

 

Our friend Jim doesn't seem to have a history of posting to any
automotive groups. Strangely, he didn't want this particular post to
be archived by Deja (X-No-Archive: no) but puts no such specification
on (most?) of his other posts. I guess he want's to keep it a secret
that he has a chrysler vehicle - won't even tell us which one.

He does like posting to

comp.sys.mac.advocacy
alt.music.polkas
alt.support.crohns-colitis

Kinda strange assortment of newsgroups (but maybe standard for a Mac
user).

 

Ply Voyager LE, V6 3.3

 

Our friend Jim doesn't seem to have a history of posting to any
automotive groups.[/QUOTE]

And that matters how?

And what does being Mac/PC/Linux user have to do with anything?

 

"...and magically divine the model AND YEAR of anonymous vehicles..."

I guess Mac users aren't used to reading _written_ instructions...

(Sorry I couldn't resist that one - perfect setup for it)

Ted

 

Year of said vehicle would be very helpful. From lack of such one can only
assume this is a '92 - '95 Voyager. Having had a '92 T&C which had the ABS pump
I can make a link from memory. However that vehicle left my household when we
bought the '96 T&C LXi which has a redesigned system without the ABS pump. My
'92 made the noise but something in my memory says that was normal.
Additionally something else in my memory says there was somewhat of a design
change to this pump in '94 - '95 but that could also be supposition on my part.
Afterall I haven't had that van for more than 7 years and it has been 11 years
since I bought it, so the memory could be telling me things that are of no
importance to me any longer. In summation of my extended reply here I can only
say if one wants information from question(s) asked in this newsgroup, one MUST
post complete information when asking the question(s).

 

When it doesn't make the sound and the pedal gets really hard and brake
fluid blows out of it.....than worry. They're supposed to make noise. IF
it's a 91-93. If it's a 94 or later well.....you've got a problem. If you're
having the trouble I described and it's a 91 - 93 abs than get it to a
dealer. Most of it's under lifetime warranty.
Larry

 

1996 Voyager LE, not a T&C unless those were the same.

 

Well, you're right, I didn't leave enough info. But it is a 1996 and
didn't origionally make that sound. I'm not sure I like the sound even
though the shop says it doesn't affect the ABS system and it works fine.

Thanks for trying to be helpful as opposed to a few of the other snippy
sarcastic sorts that responded. As if what computer I choose to use
makes any difference or the NG's I frequent.

 

Those used the Teves Mark IV system for ABS. 1996 was the only year that
system was
used on the Chrysler minivans. In 1995 the minivans used the Bendix ABS-4
system and
in 1997 the minivans got the Teves Mark 20 system.

How do you know the groaning sound heard when braking is coming from the ABS
pump?
Sounds like this are more associated with rotors/pads/drums/shoes, etc.

Ted

 

I know the sound pads/disk's make. The garage said the sound is from the
ABS pump, not me. I've used them for 13 years and have no reason to
doubt them.

Pads don't usually "Groan", they chatter, whine, sing or other things.
When they told me of the ABS sound it was because I just had a new
master cylinder put in as the old had failed and at same time had all
the brakes checked, pads in front, drum in rear since it didn't make
sense to have it in the shop again if there was a problem there.

However, they said the pump was $700. Is it? I don't know which is why I
posted my question. It seems like we're straying a bit afield.

I hope that clarifies it some.

 

Oh, well in that case - reread your original post, you didn't ask for
comments
from people as to whether or not $700 was an accurate price, you just asked
for comments, period. I think that most respondents in the forum (me
included)
would have felt you wanted a second opinion on whether or not what the
garage was telling you was accurate - meaning did you need to have the
repair
done at all, was what they were telling you acurate, etc.

I guess I don't understand your OP because the shop told you a) it's
groaning
and b) it's not a big deal. IN short,
if you believe them on a) then you must believe them on b) and so why are
you even
bringing this up? But you ARE bringing this up so it would seem that you
must not
believe them on either a) or b) or both. So then why are you saying that
this is
"straying a bit afield"

What you need to do is decide what question your asking. If we assume that
the
garage is accurate and your pump is "groaning"; Are you asking us whether
we recommend that you have it fixed? Or have you decided your going to get
it fixed and your asking us if $700 is a fair price?

Ted

 

There are some on-line sources for Chrysler parts and pricing. Check
www.mechanicsvilledodge.com. Go to the "Parts" page and drill down with
your vehicle info. and the part you're looking for. They list their
price and the list price. Most likely your dealer is giving you list
price for them to replace it.

Bill Putney
(to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with "x")

 

Ted, Sorry if I'm beinv confusing. I'm trying to determine if $700 is a
fair price to reaplace the pump.

The van didn't always make this groaning sound either. It was fine from
when I bought it in 1997 until earlier last year. I was also trying to
determine if anyone else had this problem and what their service place
said. ABS is sort of its own animal compared to reg brakes. I haven't
done enough reading on it so I was hoping to stand on the shoulders of
those who have been there before me.