A604-41TE Amsoil synthetic versus ATF+3 Mpoar 7176 ??

WTF!

I only pushed the post button once, and it still posted twice.

Must be because I am using Mozilla Thunderbird instead of Microsoft
Explorer.

Honest Matt. I don't work for Mozilla either.

LOL! : )

 

I'm using T-bird, and my posts only show up once. You probably have
some setting wrong - something causing a copy.

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
adddress with the letter 'x')

 

Never said you were. Being ignorant doesn't make you a liar.

Never said you did.

I was thinking the same of yours, although it may be closer to spam.


Matt

 

Post it an eighth time! Post it again!


On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, fwd_moparasambuku wrote:

<snip wide-eyed, naive pseudoscientific hearsay handwaving from some yutz
who's been through two transmissions and, having about a month's worth of
track record, is preaching the gospel of Scamsoil to all us heathens...>

 

Yeah. I see my last post didn't copy though, and I didn't do anything
different. I don't know what it caused it then.

By the way Bill. You are really outside the established order. Using
Thunderbird instead of the tried and 'less than true' Microsoft Internet
Explorer. Shame on you dude!

Don't you know that Thunderbird is snake oil?! You probably work for
Mozilla too!

Just kidding of course. Remind you of anything though?

One more thing.

I have never seen one of those "slick amsoil print adds" someone mentioned
earlier. I heard of it by word of mouth.

Those amsoil dudes really need to work on their marketing approach. It is
hard to find a distributer, and calling it a universal ATF was a HUGE
mistake! It really 'does' sound like bull shit because of that. The name
amsoil really sucks too.

Despite all of these drawbacks though. I have to admit it is absolutely
undeniably the best ATF I have ever used. Too bad it is not sold retail. I
hope the big oil companies don't destroy the amsoil company, but I bet they
do.

Now I got get out of here. Let the stubborn old farts argue about it all
they want.

 

Congratulations. You have one a delicious gourmet meal for two at, Club Old
Fool!

A604/41TE4 hard parts, solenoid valve body spline and planetary array with
pistons, braised in genuine MOPAR +3 or +4 ATF. Served on a bed of crispy
fried seals, nestled next to a scrumptious portion of baked clutch
plates.

Umm..... Umm.... Manja!

Type III semi synthetic ATF, such as Mopar 7176 ATF +3 and their "new and
grossly overpriced" ATF +4, is utterly inferior to any Type IV full
synthetic, like Amsoil ATF.

I don't sell the stuff, but I do use it.

Go ahead and bake your damn tranny.

Fine with me.

Idiots!

 

Amsoil ATF IV full synthetic simply does not provide the characteristics
needed for recent automatics sold by Chrysler, no matter how stable it is.
End of discussion.

Richard.

 

Yes it does. I don't know didly about lubricants,
but I do know that their ATF has made my A604 perform perfectly, as it was
designed to, for the first and only time.

From what I have seen here it is obvious.

You guys are *either unwilling or incapable* of distinguishing between
snake oil and a great product. It wouldn't help even if a real expert came
on this forum and explained it to you.

You guys should see how you look on these forums. You all spout canned BS,
in condemning a great product you have never tried and really know nothing
about. Man it is pathetic!

Look. I don't have a damned "tornado" in my intake or a so called
"electric turbo unit", and I would never put any PTFE in my crank case. I
know the difference between good legitimate products and snake oil.
Obviously you jerks do not, and your comments are just plain ridiculous.

 

Its no skin off your nose when someone's TC clutch sheds its skin due to
being immersed in Amsoil spooge either, is it?

 

We put 150,000 miles on my wife's Chrysler transmission using ATF+3 (and
later +4) before a leak necessitated repairing it. The clutches were
still in great shape. How many miles have you got using Amsoil Spooge
Type IV? How long do TCC clutches hold up without the necessary friction
modifiers? 10,000 miles, 50,000 miles? Call me back when you have over
200,000 miles without a fluid-related clutch failure (or when you have a
document that says it meets the ATF+4 spec), and maybe I'll believe it.

 

For all of what, a month or two since you dumped it in. Let us know how
it's working in five or six years.

Scamsoil's track record of lies cannot be erased by your glib, ignorant
assertions.

 

Then maybe it was a 3 speed, not an A604. Or you live in a very mild
climate with optimal driving conditions, like little or no stop and go
traffic in hot weather, and she drives in an extremely conservative manner
at low speeds over level ground, in an unloaded vehicle for short
distances.

My experience over the years with the A604, tells me that either the above
is true, or your claim is pure BULL SHIT. Your other "comments" lead me to
believe the latter is very likely to be the case.

Maybe when you have "a document" that says your above claims are true,
then maybe, MAYBE, I will believe you. Truth is however that I will
believe my own experience over any "documents".

You guys are hopeless. I have wasted enough time here trying to reason
with you.

bye

 

Show me some real VERIFIABLE *proof*, that your above comment, is anything
other than a "glib ignorant assertion" itself.

 

I cannot *wait* to see Steve rip your incorrect assumptions to shreds, one
by one, especially since I've seen the car he's talking about. Steve, can
you hold off for about 7 minutes while I go pop some popcorn?

Ah. You've never seen something, therefore it doesn't exist. That explains
why you were so easily gulled by Scamsoil's propaganda.

That's grand. I don't think anyone has a problem with that. The problem is
your laughable attempt to preach the gospel of Scamsoil based on nothing
but Scamsoil's claims and your month or two of driving experience.

You're right, we are and you have. Bye, now.

 

And I replied to the above with this:

"Show me some real VERIFIABLE *proof*, that your above comment, is
anything other than a "glib ignorant assertion" itself."


I am still waiting for an answer.

I can't wait either.

So far all I have seen is a clear portrait of unreasoning bias based upon
false assumptions, and irresponsible unsubstantiated accusations, founded
upon rumor and supposition.

 

It has been over an hour now, and still no response from Daniel J. Stern
'or' Steve.

Who ever thought that DJS, of all people, could ever hold his peace after
he gets to trolling like that? I am sure he and Steve will have a great
excuse for their lingering silence, and they will have plenty of BULL SHIT
to lay out. I have better things to do than stick around to wade through it
though.

It really PISSES ME OFF! Guys like this have been spreading BULL SHIT for
years, about the only alternative to Daimler/Chrysler's overpriced and
*inadequate* ATF, and much more I am sure.

I wish I had never listened to the myth makers, and tried Amsoil ATF a
long time ago. Doing so would have saved me thousands of dollars on
transmission rebuilds!

Pseudo experts who proliferate on the Internet, propagate myths and BULL
SHIT, to the hurt of consumers everywhere.

OK. Enough said. I am out of here.

 

Damn. I have no horse in this race, but how many times are you going to
say good-bye?

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
adddress with the letter 'x')

 

My 96 Grand Voyager has 167,000 on the original tranny using ATF+3 and
50,000 mile fluid and filter changes. I guess it likes "baking" just
fine.


Matt

 

How do you know how it was designed to perform? Are you the designer?

Actually, I don't know of any real experts that espouse Amsoil.

Actually, many years ago I tried both Amsoil motor oil and Amsoil gear
oil in a car and a motorcycle (gear oil only in the bike). I could
detect no difference at all in fuel mileage, operating temperature or
noise and, at that time, Amsoil cost a lot more than Mobil 1 and was
much harder to find.

How do you know the difference?


Matt

 

Where are your documents that says the Scamsoil claims are true?

Finally!


Matt