97 Dodge Intrepid - hard shifts and high idle problems

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Bryan, Apr 14, 2005.

  1. Bryan

    Bryan Guest

    I've been following this group for awhile, but this is the first time
    I've posted. Your answers to previous questions have been very
    insightful into other issues I've had, so hopefully you can help me
    here.

    So I have a 1997 Dodge Intrepid with 139k miles on it. It has the 3.5L
    engine and Autostick. Recently, it has developed a handful of
    problems, and I am unsure if they are related. The main issue is that
    the car seems to shift very hard. Specifically when shifting down from
    2nd to 1st at low speeds and when shifting up from 3rd to 4th around 45
    mph. (This is with the transmission in drive, not autostick). It is
    really noticeable at low speeds.

    Some background information:

    I've had the car since 2000 when it had 70k miles on. No major
    problems to report, mostly maintenance issues. It has had its oil
    changed every 3k miles, for those interested.

    About 2 months ago, the check engine light came on. Code 32 - EGR
    valve. Following the instructions in my Haynes manual, I checked my
    EGR valve and associated components. Engine bogs down as vacuum is
    applied directly to valve. Vacuum lines seem ok. After taking putting
    the parts removed back on and resetting the computer (by unhooking the
    battery), the check engine light went out, but now the car idles high.
    It used to idle around 600 rpm in park. Now its more like 1100 rpm.
    Hot or cold does not seem to matter. Additionally, after about 3 days
    of driving, the check engine light came back on and the car idles high.
    Obviously, this seems to stress the engine more when shifting from
    Park into gear.

    Additionally, since the EGR test, it occasionally requires a second
    crank to get it started when it's cold. Unsure if this is something
    related or older car getting more mileage/older battery/etc.
    change the transmission fluid. It has not been done within the past
    30k miles, so definitely needs to be done regardless. However, knowing
    the Intrepid's somewhat well documented tranny problems, I don't
    want to have just the fluid changed if that is not the problem.

    So, has anybody seen a similar set of conditions? This feels like
    something that is beyond my limited skills/required tools, so I'm
    considering taking it to a shop. What should I expect them to tell me?
    Is there anything I'm overlooking here? And finally, are these
    likely related?

    Thanks for your help,
    Bryan

    Sorry for the long post, but there seems to be lots of information that
    should be conveyed.
     
    Bryan, Apr 14, 2005
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  2. Bryan

    Bob Shuman Guest

    Bryan,

    The Code 32 is most likely a bad EGR valve. I just replaced one on my son's
    1996 with the 3.5 over the weekend. It is not too bad a job, although its
    location is at the rear of the engine and the space there is tight. The EGR
    part you will likely need is found at:
    http://www.autopartsplanet.com/search.asp?itemid=4287634AB&Type=Accessories
    It came with the exhaust manifold/metal gasket and 2 new bolts. To do the
    job right, you will also need to replace the EGR tube EGR gasket as well as
    the two EGR tube to intake manifold gaskets too. My son's 1996 had a lot of
    carbon deposits built up that I cleaned out at the openings to the tube and
    manifolds. Removing the battery negative cable during the job and
    re-attaching afterward cleared the code and it once it re-learned the engine
    it ran very well.

    I do not know the cost of having the job done by a dealer or other service
    shop, but it took us about two hours to remove and re-install, and some of
    this time was cleaning the tube and manifold openings.

    This could be the cause of the engine running rough and at a higher than
    normal idle although, it could be something else as well since you do not
    indicate when it was last tuned, PCV valve changed, ignition wires replaced,
    etc.

    On the transmission shifting rough, you also fail to say when you last
    changed the fluid and filter. I do mine every 30K on all my Chryslers and
    they all still shift like new.

    Good luck.

    Bob
     
    Bob Shuman, Apr 14, 2005
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  3. Bryan

    Bob Shuman Guest

    Bob Shuman, Apr 14, 2005
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  4. Bryan

    Bryan Guest

    Bob,

    The transmission fluid was changed approx. 45,000 miles ago, so it
    needs to be done regardless. Additionally, the plugs/wires were
    changed about 5000 miles ago. The car was not tuned at the time, nor
    was the PCV valve changed. How do I check to see if the PCV valve is
    bad?

    Thanks,
    Bryan
     
    Bryan, Apr 15, 2005
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  5. Bryan

    Bob Shuman Guest

    The PCV is very cheap and easy to get to. Just replace it if it has not
    been done lately since it may be contributing to the EGR issue. And, while
    you are there, make sure the rubber hose to it isn't cracked or leaking.

    On the transmission fluid, I've had good luck with the re-sealable
    silicone/metal gasket, the genuine MOPAR filter, and ATF+4, all only
    available from a Chrysler dealer. I order these from Galeana Chrysler's web
    site in South Carolina and they ship to arrive in about a week and there is
    no sales tax for me as I am out of that state. The discount and no tax more
    than covers the shipping. The parts guy there, by the name of Jasper, is
    great at helping find exactly what you need via email.

    http://www.galeanasc.com/

    Bob
     
    Bob Shuman, Apr 15, 2005
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    Steve Guest

    The high idle, need for a re-start, and hard shifting could all be the
    result of a vacuum leak created by removing and re-installing the EGR.
    Check all the vacuum tubes as well as all the EGR plumbing itself.
     
    Steve, Apr 15, 2005
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