5-20 oil

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Alex Rodriguez, Jul 19, 2005.

  1. Alex Rodriguez

    Bill Putney Guest

    Yes - called static and dynamic seals.
    If it's the right consistency, it would - like a gummy sludge that
    builds up being closer to a solid as you move through the seal/shaft
    interface from inside the engine to outside - takes years to form.

    Bill Putney
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    Bill Putney, Aug 17, 2005
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  2. Alex Rodriguez

    Guest Guest


    Your hunch is wrong. And it's not just rope seals. Ever seen cracked
    neoprene gaskets? Not being a mechanic, you likely have not - but
    trustme, they harden up and crack with age. As long as there is a good
    film of varnish/crud covering the cracks and the joints between the
    gasket and the engine parts, little if any oil gets out. Wash away
    that film, and you have oil sneeking out everywhere.
    Same thing happens with paper type and cork gaskets as they dry out.
    Same thing happens with neoprene lip type seals, and specific to the
    Mitsubishi engines, the rubber cam plugs.
    A dirty high miler 3.0 Mitsu is virtually guaranteed to leak oil from
    the rocker gaskets, cam plugs, and camchaft seals if switched to
    synthetic or flushed without replacing those seals and gaskets.
    Good chance of rear main and front main seals as well, but not nearly
    as common as the top end.
     
    Guest, Aug 17, 2005
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  3. Alex Rodriguez

    Guest Guest

    I've been a hobbyist for 38 years, and a mechanic for 25 of those
    years. I've owned and worked on cars aged from 1928 on up. I've
    rebuilt engines, resealed engines, and repaired engines on vehicles
    from Moscavitch to Rolls, in the northern and southern hemispheres,
    and on both sides of the atlantic. Doesn't matter what kind of car, or
    where it is driven, if not properly services, they ALL varnish and
    sludge.
    Gaskets are seals too. And no, I have not bothered to remove that kind
    of crud from shaft seals - but I've replaced seals that had ample
    evidence and accumulation of crud on them that were in bad enough
    shape they would have been leaking a WHOLE LOT if they had been clean.
    Not only that, but enough varnish build-up on the shafts themselves to
    form a "second lip" that the seal ran against .
    And 5W20 is not the only synthetic oil in use today.
     
    Guest, Aug 17, 2005
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  4. Alex Rodriguez

    Guest Guest

    I'll grant you that sludge can make
    And if you go back to my original statement I did not specify only
    rotating components.
    I stated that switching to synthetic oil on a high mileage older
    vehicle could very well cause the engine to start leaking in many
    places where it had not leaked significantly before - particularly on
    a 3.0 Mitsubishi engine in a Chrysler.

    I stand by that statement.
    The statement about sludge plugging galleries etc was in response to
    the engineer questioning the mechanical properties of sludge and
    varnish in regards to plugging leaks.
     
    Guest, Aug 17, 2005
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  5. Alex Rodriguez

    Steve Guest

    Of course I have... but I've never seen a cracked neoprene gasket or
    seal that was NOT LEAKING already. Simple crankcase pressure variations
    (going from slight vacuum under high PCV action to positive pressure
    under hard acceleration (no PCV + blow-by) is easily enough to overpower
    any hypthetical "film" covering a hypthetical crack in a gasket.
    Not being a civil person, you likely haven't actually read anything I've
    written particularly thoroughly, either.
     
    Steve, Aug 17, 2005
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