3.0L Mits engine swap

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by N5ZTW, Oct 20, 2006.

  1. N5ZTW

    N5ZTW Guest

    I have an 87 1/2 Caravan with one of the very first 3.0L Mitsubishi
    engines.
    At 130K highway miles I have finally been bit by the slipping exhaust
    valve guide gremlin.
    I'm off the line like a fully loaded cement mixer but can maintain 60
    MPH on the flat, more downhill when I get going! Now it's parked and I
    must make repairs.
    NO smoke out the tail pipe. I have already been bit by the harmonic
    balancer removing the key and keyway from the crank. I had to machine a
    colet to hold the balancer on the crank. (it may never come off)
    The van looks NEW Great paint perfect inside always garaged so I think
    it's worth a DIY repair.
    It seems this engine had many faults the first few years then was a
    real winner. The punchline is if I wanted to swap the entire engine
    with say a 96-2000 engine what problems would I have? My dad has a 97
    Caravan and I was looking it over and his 3.0L looks the same. Except
    the intake plenum is a little lower for hood clearance. So I may try
    and find a 3.0L from a salvalge yard.
    old computer should work fine. I only question the fuel injector wiring
    / interface though. I have all the factory shop manuals and the pull is
    out the hood on these early models. Soooo it seems to me the entire
    engine swap may be a lot less trouble than replacing the heads plus I
    can change the timing belt on the new engine before I install it.
    Anyone done this before? Will this job require me to purchase a $50.00
    bottle of Tequila about 1/2 way through? Or should I just opt for a set
    of newer heads? It sure looks easy to pull the entire thing out and pop
    a newer one in.
    Thanks, Bill
     
    N5ZTW, Oct 20, 2006
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    Steve Stone Guest

    Even if the nuts and bolts between engines all match up there could be
    issues with different flavors of computers, sensors, fuel delivery systems,
    etc. Be careful in your selection.
     
    Steve Stone, Oct 20, 2006
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  3. N5ZTW

    N5ZTW Guest

    Thanks Steve,
    I have read that the throttle body and fuel injectors should be moved
    from the old to the new to get the new to run on the old computer.
    Possibly the Distributor also. From what I can see this is the worst
    case and the injectors are only swapped if the new engine has the newer
    dual fire sequence type as they have a different electrical resistance.
    I should also use the 87 fuel rail as it has better flow that the newer
    ones.
    Bill
     
    N5ZTW, Oct 20, 2006
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  4. A few years ago my brother and I put the engine and transmission from a
    1988 caravan into a 1990 caravan (both 3.0L). There were a few
    differences in the throttle body and related parts as well as a couple
    of other things I don't entirely remember. In all cases when something
    didn't match, we simply used the part that matched the van I was going
    to be driving. I'm pretty sure that the basic engine is the same under
    all the accessories. In the end this was a very dependable vehicle with
    no problems. This was the opposite of what you plan to do. I put an
    older engine into a newer van.

    If something doesn't look right, maybe you should stick with an engine
    closer to the correct year. There may not be any problems at all with
    the engines that are ten years off, but I would feel more comfortable
    not going past 1990. One of those years around 1990 the computer was
    changed to a newer model with twice as many wires. You can look at vans
    in the junkyard to see when they changed.
     
    Robbie and Laura Reynolds, Oct 20, 2006
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  5. N5ZTW

    N5ZTW Guest

    Thanks Robbie,
    I worked on it today and my balancer fix was so good it just won't come
    off.
    So I feel a bone yard 3.0L is the way to go.
    I have all the factory manuals including the classroom controls manual
    for this 87 engine.
    It looks like if I put the entire 87 manifold on a newer engine I'm all
    set.
    The other sensors are pretty simple swaps. Oil sending and switch are
    on a tree that bolts into the block. The distributor should drop in.
    The older fuel injection system should work.
    I guess I'll find out.
    Bill
     
    N5ZTW, Oct 22, 2006
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  6. The basic short block (block, heads, etc) are the same. Just put your
    accessories and intake on the new motor, and your set.

    I would recommend getting a 94 or newer motor, as they had the most
    updates to the heads.. (IIRC).

    If you get a junkyard motor, it might be a good idea to freshen it up
    a bit. New rings and bearings, valve job (with maybe a 30-32 degree
    backcut on the valves for a little extra flow), and new gaskets....
    even if you dont want to do rings and bearings, at least replace all
    the gaskets...... save yourself a future headache...

    Also put on a new timing belt and pulleys, water pump, water transfer
    tube, and any other thing that is harder than hell to do with the
    motor in the van.

    Of course, you could always just drop it in, put your stuff on it and
    GO!
     
    Homer Simpson, Oct 24, 2006
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    DeserTBoB Guest

    ....and cross your fingers!
     
    DeserTBoB, Oct 24, 2006
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    N5ZTW Guest

    Thanks for the info. I'm in Austin Texas and there seem to be many of
    these around.
    I found a 97 listed at a local bone yard as "fire on top" I'm going to
    go look at it and see how bad the fire was seeing I'm going to replace
    the intake system anyways. But a fire on an engine with Alum. heads
    could be trouble. Just worried that it may have debris in the
    combustion chambers. Stuff that won't come out like melted plastic that
    fell down the cross flow path into the intake ports. In the past I have
    used a shop vac in the spark plug hole for this kind of issue. They
    also have a 98 but it was hit in the front so I have to go look at it
    also. One question is will my 87 optical pick-up distributor drop into
    the newer engine (valve train). I think I will need do this to make the
    87 computer work as I'm sure they must have changed them in 10 years. I
    plan on a new water pump and timing belt while it's on the shop floor
    and easy to access.
    Bill
     
    N5ZTW, Oct 24, 2006
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