2000 Intrepid Steering Problems: Please Read.

Nope. His initial post was a response supporting an attack by Steve,
where Bill said:

"Yeah - I like the part about changing p.s. fluid fixing a problem that
caused the steering wheel to clock itself 360°! Right!!"

Which I showed conclusively was oblivious to anything I had posted prior
to that point, and was intended to fuel the flames, nothing more. So,
please, leave me off the guest list for the canonization.

Your assumption is incorrect, which makes this also incorrect. If Bill
P. was interested in helping, he had the chance when I posted first one
month ago, and presumably had no interest in countering the only
responders advice to change the steering fluid, (which, for the last
time, I didn't say, and outright stated I rejected as a remedy), and
then again when I posted two days ago. Instead, he jumped on board the
flamefest wagon. This isn't a busy group, and I dismiss entirely that a
group regular didn't see both of my posts.

It's pathetic. Please stop excusing it.

 

If (and thats a might big if) it was a false assumption it is an
assumption that many here got from your poor choice of words. We also
assumed that when you said you were mechanically inclined that meant
you could do more than put gas in your car. Obviously this was also
an incorrect assumption. You seem to feel that this group owes you
instant 100% correct answers to your questions. The people that come
here do so because they either need help or they live and breathe cars
and are able to offer help. Nobody here owes you a thing and any
advice you get here is worth slightly less than you paid for it.

Steve B.

 

I bet if you visit the groups page of www.google.com and look up Bill's
posts in this group, you will find that they are in spirts and indeed he
probably was not posting at the time of your previous posts or had no good
ideas at the time to offer. Indeed he wasn't really responding to what was
wrong with the car. He was responding to what could not possibly be wrong
with the car.

 

Bullshit. 1. People jumped on board after Steve (no B) jumped to the
wrong conclusion. 2. It's clear this group has been the focus of
trolling in the past (hey, I own a mustang and I see the cross posted
trolling in there all the time. Never GM, or Honda, or whatever else,
always Chrysler). You guys are oversensitive, plain an simple.

But I'll give you a chance. Please go through my original post and show
me where my words are chosen poorly. I won't hold my breath, because,
as stated, the idea is crap. I am guilty of nothing.

You are quite simply incorrect. You are obviously following Bill P's
incorrect tangent that *I* suggested changing the steering fluid would
help, which of course, is wrong.

While mechanics aren't what I do for a living, I get by. Accept it or
don't, but I certainly know more about my abilities than you.

Nope. Never said it. But common courtesy requires that if you have
nothing to offer, shut your ugly yap. Simple.

Coulda fooled me.

You're wrong. Like anyone else, I'm owed the common courtesy which was
absent from the very first response to my completely innocent post. You
can try to read it differently if it makes you feel better, but you're
wrong. This thread is ugly by your (and other people's) doing, not
mine. I wouldn't come here again looking for help if I needed my car to
to collect a billion trilloin dollars. Clearly, there are better
sources out there than the oversensitive, conclusion jumping, unwilling
to admit when wrong, attitude that prevails in here.

 

I'm not sure if you're out and out dismissing what I quoted below, but
the eternal proof exists. He may (and probably is) a great guy. Good.
That doesn't change the fact that he made a mistake and jumped on
board by supporting Steve(no B)'s provocative, false and asshole derived
post.

 

i have done quite a few racks in these cars for the same issue and a reman is
345.00 in mi.

 

"asshole derived" should be hyphenated.

Bill Putney
(to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with "x")

 

<meta discuss>
Look, dude, there's a lot of divergent viewpoints on this group, that's for
sure. A lot of the regular posters don't always get along, much less agree
on anything except that we live and breathe Chrysler, Dodge, Plymouth and
Jeep. However, many are pretty fair-minded, and will jump in to help
someone who's being treated unfairly, even if it also means jumping on
another regular. A quick run through in Google will confirm this.

It's remarkable that this hasn't happened in your case, wouldn't you say?
There's one or two posts in this thread that are more or less neutral, and
the rest are uniformly against you. We don't typically agree to this
degree, if you will. You might wanta consider that.

I've googled your posts in the other NGs. You seem like a reasonable guy,
and your posts in the hockey NGs certainly aren't trolls. You're probably
pissed because you just spent a lot of money on your car you didn't want to.
We've all been there.

You inadvertently pushed a hot button with the website and mention of the
lawsuit. This is a NG with probably 80% American regulars. And yes,
probably a big majority of the Americans have been involved in, or affected
by a lawsuit in one way or another. So, we're touchy about lawsuits. Go
figure.

Virtually all newsgroups have a couple of hot buttons like this. There is a
section in the FAQ about what those buttons are here, but it's not up to
date. Sorry. And some of us--me included--have apologized already, which
is remarkable. Not that it's worth a lot, but we're trying.

We're don't much like giving in around here, but we do forgive and forget
pretty quickly. Why don't you think about that before you post again?
</meta discuss>

--Geoff

 

Pawn,

Note: This is my first and last posting to this thread.

I am requesting that you (and other participants) just drop this thread
since it no longer serves any useful purpose. Why is it so important for you
to prove your actions (continuing to drive the vehicle) never placed anyone
in harm's way or that your intentions/attitude were "misunderstood" or taken
out of context in the first few messages?

The bottom line is that we have/can read all of the postings and the replies
for ourselves and then draw our own conclusions. By your continuing to
extend this thread ,my own personal perception is that you have actually
hurt your case. I've noted that Steve (no B) and others who let you know
what they thought about continuing to drive an unsafe vehicle appear to have
ceased responding several days ago(but are no doubt raising their eyebrows
when reading your follow up posts). Do what you will, but I strongly
encourage you to consider if this is worth continuing to invest your time
and energy.

BTW, I am sorry that you had a problem with your steering rack, but am glad
that you were able to get it fixed. Please do not hesitate to give this
newsgroup a try in the future. I believe the lack of a response to your
initial problem was because nobody had encountered the symptoms you
described previously.

Bob

 

Considered. Thanks. However, I must extend the offer to you as well to
point out where I went wrong in my original post. Every time I reread
it I shake my head in how clear and unprovocative it is.

Seeing as how this thread went south before I even spent money, I would
have to reject this.

I already admitted that this group has a collective insecurity problem.
Want me to "admit" it again? Again, I see the cross posts in the
Mustang group on a a weekly basis. I've always wondered what the
problem is with the Chrysler group. This is sincere BTW.

Now we're talking sense. And you're the very first poster in this
thread to even offer the very smallest of olive branch to say: "hey,
maybe we misinterpreted what you said". Actually, Art was pretty cool.

Good enough. Would it help clear things up if I admitted I've been
pissed off since Steve's first post and have decided to hold ground at
any cost ever since? Doesn't make me right to do so, but it doesn't
make me wrong.

Excellent post, and to be honest, and I appreciate that you swallowed it
a little. In all honesty, I never would have known about that seat belt
interlock sensor in my '74 Dart were it not for this group. So, Hell, I
take it all back. ;^)

 

That isn't what was misunderstood. That's open to debate. I would
accept the opinion that I drove the car too long. I guess I probably
did. But my intentions aren't what were misunderstood. Notice I could
care less about the attacks on intelligence and mechanical ability.
Pffft. What pissed me off was the assumption I was here mining for
information for legal purposes.

I agree I've let anger get the better of me.

Just to be clear, Steve-no-B let me know a lot more than that. If you
want an honest response from me, be honest with yourself as well. He
was quite simply insulting. Maybe not as insulting as the stand up guy
that stated he would be OK with me expiring in a car accident, but
insulting.

I appreciate your response. This type of intelligent input is always
helpful and will solicit (what I hope) is an equivalent response from me
every time.