1998 Grand Caravan

Well - sure - if you believe Ohm's law!!! What poppycock!

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')

 

More often than not, I'll stand by their work. In this case, all of our

What you are failing to grasp here is that a load test was done, even though
all of the engineers said it was useless. Your statement above is exactly
why I said a load test was needed; it is definitive proof of where the
problem lies. If you go back and read what I've said on that thread, I
didn't claim to know exactly where the problem was, only that a load test
was essential in finding it.

They claims, as well as yours, to the contrary are proven wrong by the fact
that a load test was in fact done. The claim that 629A (or whatever amperage
was claimed) was found means nothing until a manufacturers CCA rating for
the battery is posted, and I haven't seen anyone post that as a "fact" yet.

The fact that the wiring is determined to be the center of this problem
means that one group of engineers is wrong, either its you internet experts,
or the ones in the Chrysler engineering and design studios. As I said
before, and especially in light of your outrageous claims (helium has no
weight?) I'll go with the Chrysler guys as more reliable.

--
Max

"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)

 

Ah, yes, thanks for reminding me why I don't believe the stuff you wrote
below.


--
Budd Cochran

John 3:16-17, Ephesians 2:8-9

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.
It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other."
(John Adams)

 

(Sarcasm mode at full throttle, full boost and full NOX)

Oh, I keep forgetting, only an "engineer" like yourself ( ROFLMBO!!!) can
deliberately confuse a topic.

(sarcasm mode disengaged)
--
Budd Cochran

John 3:16-17, Ephesians 2:8-9

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.
It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other."
(John Adams)

 

Budd, you don't have to believe Bill, just Google "Ohms law" or pick up
any basic physics or electrical book. I searched for "Budd's law" and
came up empty.

Matt

 

Ha, ha, ha... Ohm's law is about as simple as it gets. Only you could
be confused about E=IR.

Matt

 

Is this your coded way of saying you were wrong.

 

Hi Matt...

Wonder if someone could if they didn't know the abbreviations...
so just in case...

E = voltage (in volts)
I = current (in amps)
R = resistance (in ohms)

Take care.

Ken

 

That might be helpful to someone who really wants to learn, Ken, but
they really are not interested in anything other than mental
masturbation. Besides it was spelled out for them in those terms
already anyway. Also why I used the term "willfully ignorant". Sad.
Very sad.

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')

 

LOL, sorry Maxi but you are still wrong. A simple voltage test on the
battery while the inverter was plugged in was all that was needed. You
really do flip flop more than Kerry. First it was a bad battery, then it
wasn't but the load test was necessarry, then back to the battery was bad
again. Make up your mind because either way, you are still wrong. The
battery was not bad and a load test was not necessary.

yet.

I must say that it funny to watch you twist and squirm rather than just
admit to your error or just shut the hell up. Since it is a mini-van with a
factory battery, do you really think it is going to be anything over 700 CCA
and I see you are still flip-flopping. In the first paragraph you claim
that the load test confirming the battery to be ok proves you right and now
you have managed to flip flop back to the battery possibly being bad again.
If you actually new what a voltage drop was you could possibly have an
argument that makes sense.

Once again, you can't see the forest thru the trees. What makes you think
that the engineers caused this problem? Perhaps it was the cost cutters or
perhaps they were not expecting such a device to be connected there or
saving money took a priority like in the Dakota front ball joints or using
the NV3500 in the full sized RAM even though it reduced towing capability or
using undersized steering shaft joints that tend to fail prematurely or
putting the damn fuel filter in the tank as part of the pump. Yea Max, cost
savings is never placed over full reliability or longevity.

 

Not necessary and it has no way to know what is plugged into it.

And you have proof of this where???

And you base this on what? We are talking about a factory battery here and
a DC at that.

No, it indicates a high drop in the wiring and a small drop from the
battery.

And would not be able to start the car and like magic, it still does, even
after the load test. I guess that's strike 5.

Of course you are in agreement. You two are about the only ones that agree
with each other on most issues because like this one, you are W R O N G ! !
!

 

No thanks, I still have my electrical engineering handbook.

--
Budd Cochran

John 3:16-17, Ephesians 2:8-9

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.
It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other."
(John Adams)

 

Perhaps you should take the time to comprehend what it is telling you.

--
If at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving

http://www.SecureIX.com ***

 

If only you knew how to read it. I'm quite sure it has Ohm's law
spelled out correctly.


Matt

 

And yet you claim to not denigrate a person's education.

You are a lying hypocrite!

I've had enough of you.

--
Budd Cochran

John 3:16-17, Ephesians 2:8-9

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.
It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other."
(John Adams)

 

I didn't denigrate your education. I denigrated your ability to read.
You posted a blatantly incorrect physics relationship, yet you claim to
have a book that in all likelihood would have the correct rendition of
Ohm's law. So, this suggests that you either can't read or can't
understand the book you have.

Only in your feeble mind.

It is about time. I'm surprised you could tolerate truth and
correctness even this long, given your propensity for fiction.


Matt

 

It is if you're just a weekend mechanic.

Why is it low at the lighter? Is it low because the battery is somehow
sagging under a few amps of load, yet still can supply 100+ amps to
crank the engine? (Not bloody likely!) Or is it because there's an
excessive voltage drop along the supply to the lighter or perhaps a bad
ground?

Easy:

1) plug in the inverter
2) measure the voltage at the battery. Call it "v1"
3) measure the voltage at the cigarette lighter. Call it "v2"
4) subtract v2 from v1. If the difference is a couple of volts, then you
know that there's excessive voltage drop and THAT is why the inverter is
cutting out.

I can't help it if you're just dead-nuts wrong. What's going to pop the
fuse if there's an undersized wire that is dropping the voltage? Or a
bad ground connection? When those faults occur, the fuse winds up
carrying LESS current than it should and is LESS likely to pop.

I think that's EXACTLY the problem in this case. Or a connection has
deteriorated with time. In cars that have real cigarette lighters and
not just "accessory outlets," its not at all uncommon for the center pin
of the outlet to become corroded due to cigarette ashes transferred from
the lighter and the heat of the lighter when its in operation. Sometimes
the weak connection is the lighter socket ITSELF.

 

Bands are like self-energizing drum brakes. As they begin to apply, they
tend to apply themselves. You can make them do so very smoothly, but
what DOESN'T work well is trying to have a computer control that apply
rate over a wide range. Clutches work better for that.

We already know you're easily offended. The trans sucked because the
engineers weren't finished with the job when it went to production.
That's UNDER-engineering, not OVER-engineering. The thing's been pretty
bulletproof for 10+ years now.

 

Whether bands self energize or not depends on the way they are applied in
relation to rotation of the drum. Chrysler used an external band brake for
the emergency brake on the back of their transmissions in the 50's and it
was too efficient when driving forward and about half as efficient went
going backward. This could have been done in the transmission as well.

Yes, I have the right to be offended as do you. I also have the right to be
offensive, as do you. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to matter to you that
you did offend me.

Funny, I still hear a lot of complaints about it even in later models.

But you've got your opinions, I've got mine.

Cya.

Budd

 

Steve wrote:

Even easier. with the side benefit of automagically identifying
whether it's the wire or the ground that's to blame:

Put one of the probes (if digital) on the battery positive
terminal; the other probe on the outlet center pin. Measure
the voltage.

Next put one of the probes on the battery negative; the other on
the outlet shell. Measure the voltage.

Both should be very very small, whichever (if any) is large
is the problem.

Take care.

Ken