13 MILLION STINKING USA DIESELS

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by greek_philosophizer, Mar 2, 2007.

  1. http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSN2843908120070228
    http://www.theautochannel.com/F/news/2007/02/28/038573.html




    WASHINGTON, Feb. 28, 2007 -- Diesel fumes pose a major health risk to
    commuters, according to a new report by the non-profit Clean Air Task
    Force.
    The Boston-based environmental research group reported today that even
    though we spend only a tiny portion of our day commuting, it's during
    the commute that we receive more than half our overall exposure to
    deadly fine particle pollution.
    "Exposure to diesel exhaust during commutes poses a serious public
    health risk that needs to be addressed," said George Thurston,
    Professor of Environmental Medicine at New York University's School of
    Medicine, who wrote the foreword to the report.
    Fine particle pollution, including diesel exhaust, can cause lung
    cancer, stroke, heart attack and infant death. It also triggers asthma
    attacks and makes people more likely to become allergic.
    Some health researchers have estimated that such fine particles are
    responsible for shortening the lives of at least 70,000 Americans each
    year.
    The Task Force specifically investigated diesel exhaust levels during
    commutes in New York, NY; Boston, MA; Austin, TX and Columbus, OH. The
    Task Force documented diesel particle levels four to eight times
    higher inside commuter cars, buses, and trains than in the ambient
    outdoor air in those cities. These are examples of likely results
    during a commute anywhere in the country where there is significant
    diesel traffic.
    "Our investigation demonstrated that you may be exposed to high levels
    of diesel particles -- four to eight times the levels in the outdoor
    air -- whether you commute by car, bus, ferry, train, or on foot,"
    said Bruce Hill, Senior Scientist with CATF.
    By contrast, Hill noted, pollution levels were negligible for
    commuters in and near vehicles equipped with modern pollution controls
    or those that run on lower polluting fuels such as natural gas.
    "The problem is that there are 13 million diesel engines in service
    today, and virtually all are exempt from modern pollution controls,"
    said Conrad Schneider, Advocacy Director for the Task Force. "However,
    our study showed that simply replacing the muffler of trucks or buses
    with a diesel particle filter can reduce commuter exposure
    substantially," he said. By EPA regulation, the Ultra-Low Sulfur
    Diesel (ULSD) fuel that is necessary to keep these diesel particle
    filters operating optimally became available nationwide late last
    year.
    The Task Force called on federal and state agencies to increase
    funding to clean up highly polluting buses and other existing diesel
    engines. It urged the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to require
    that long-haul trucks clean up when their engines are rebuilt. It also
    urged the EPA to move ahead with plans to set new pollution standards
    for diesel trains and diesel-powered boats, including commuter ferries.
     
    greek_philosophizer, Mar 2, 2007
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  2. I don't think the small number of European diesel cars on the road make much
    of a contribution compared to the number of large displacement diesels in
    service.
    How much can my 1600cc VW diesel contribute, at 48 MPG and 20 gallons per
    month, or my 3 liter Benz?
     
    Stupendous Man, Mar 2, 2007
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  3. "> The report opines that:

    "Our investigation demonstrated that you may be exposed to high levels
    So what. Have they demonstrated that a four fold to eight fold increase
    actually means something. I see no proof (in this article) that there is
    a problem here.
    EJ in NJ
     
    Ernie Willson, Mar 2, 2007
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    who Guest

    I lot to my nose when I'm following you on acceleration or up hills.
    It's visible coming out of your pipe, fancy tests aren't needed.

    However the new diesels using the new (in NA) much cleaner diesel fuel
    may do the trick to make diesel's more acceptable.
     
    who, Mar 2, 2007
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    Max Dodge Guest

    Clearly you don't know much about electronic controls on diesels, nor do you
    know much about modern diesel engines.

    And as far as "stink" goes, I'd bet that if we put you in an gasoline fume
    free environment for a few hours, you'd smell those again as well. I'd
    venture a guess and say that the smell of gasoline burning engines is so
    prevalent that we as a population sumply don't notice it that much anymore.
    Sad really.
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    Max Dodge, Mar 2, 2007
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    .boB, Mar 4, 2007
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    Highcountry Guest

    I hate to be the one to bring this to your attention, but everyone is
    going to DIE even if they live in an environmentally controlled padded
    room. People should be worrying about the wackos in the Middle East
    and Korea, they are much more likely to kill you and much sooner than
    "fine particles"!

    Grow up and stop being used by the "We'll save you, Control Police"!

    Bruce
     
    Highcountry, Mar 5, 2007
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  8. Wow, that took me awhile. I was trying to think, well. Depleted
    Euranium, but what's the middle name?

    --

    Christopher A. Young
    You can't shout down a troll.
    You have to starve them.
    ..

    :
    : I hate to be the one to bring this to your attention, but
    everyone is
    : going to DIE even if they live in an environmentally controlled
    padded
    : room. People should be worrying about the wackos in the
    Middle East
    : and Korea, they are much more likely to kill you and much
    sooner than
    : "fine particles"!
    :
    : Grow up and stop being used by the "We'll save you, Control
    Police"!
    :
    : Bruce
    :
     
    Stormin Mormon, Mar 8, 2007
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    Vlad Guest


    Forget the wackos in the Middle East and Korea, we've got the very worst
    wackos in Washington!
     
    Vlad, Mar 19, 2007
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    Bill Putney Guest


    Oh boy! Another live one from the "good is evil and evil is good" club.

    Bill Putney
    (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
    address with the letter 'x')
     
    Bill Putney, Mar 20, 2007
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